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Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:03 am
by silverfan
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Austrian knife, Diana with 3 and A for Vienna and STERN for maker or retailer? Maker's mark.
Does anybody know the maker and some dates?
Thanks in advance silverfan
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:12 am
by dognose
Hi Silverfan,
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Trev.
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:57 pm
by Theoderich
hope it helps
the other mark loooks like Josef Carl Klinkosch
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:10 pm
by dognose
Thank you Theo.
It is indeed J.C. Klinkosch:
Trev.
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:58 am
by silverfan
Thank you for the information and Theoderich for uplöading my photos.
Does anybody know who is STERN? For dating the item it would be interesting since when the helmet became mark of Klinkosch. He became knight in 1879.
Regards silverfan
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:09 am
by zilverik
STERN: Probably Michael Stern, a silversmith who also participated in the partnership company "Triesch Stern & Duschnitz" with Josef Triesch (foundation 1857, dissolution 1862).
Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:57 am
by zilverik
Could also be the jewelers mark "STERN": Wiener Gold und Silberschmiede und ihre punzen, 1867-1922, Neuwirth, Lexicon II, page 232.
Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:17 am
by silverfan
Thank you very much, Zilverik.
So you think the jeweller Stern and Michael Stern are not the same person!?
Regards silverfan
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:59 am
by zilverik
Hi silverfan,
I count 16 Stern's in Neuwirth's book. Silversmiths, factories and retailers/juwelers. Come to think of it, the name STERN on your knife is probably more the retailers/juwelers name than the name of the silversmith. The 16 names are sometimes mentioned that it is clearly a silversmith or a retailer, sometimes just the names without a clear specification of their business. Looking at the "clear" retailers/juwelers, I count 4 of them in the period 1867-1922 with the dates they where in business):
Stern, Heinrich Michael (1914, moved in 1922 to another address)
Stern, Josef (1875 - 1903)
Stern, Leon (1895 - 1922)
Stern, Moritz (1908 -1922)
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Vienna Silversmith?
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:00 pm
by Bahner
Hello, my guess would be Josef Stern. His brother joined the firm which continued to existed after 1903 under the name of J. Stern und Bruder on Rothenturmstrasse in the expensive I. Bezirk (district) of Vienna. The brothers also had a second company on Rothenturmstrasse which acted as retailer only. Just a gut feeling, but I think - it's them. Regards, Bahner