Aide à l'dentification de petites cuillères

[jgl]

Qui veut bien m'aider à identifier l 'orfèvre de ces petites cuillères, des Pays- Bas ? ou de Suisse ?
Merci d'avance
JGL

[dognose]

Hi jgl,

Can't help with the maker, but the spoon is from Switzerland, probably late 18th/early 19th century.

Regards Trev.

[Theoderich]

Qui veut bien m'aider à identifier l 'orfèvre de ces petites cuillères, des Pays- Bas ? ou de Suisse ?
Merci d'avance

Yes it is
town:
Lausanne

maker:
Francois Saunier Mieville

[dognose]

Saunier's working life as a silversmith is noted as the very short period of 1839-c.1846

Trev.

[jgl]

Je ne connais pas les armes de la ville de Lausanne !
Seule la forme de l'écu ressemble au poinçon présenté.
What is Mieville ? The second part of the last name : Saunier-Mieville or ?
Many Thanks

[dognose]

As I understand it Francois Saunier Mieville was the son of the French silversmith Louis Marc Samuel Saunier (1769-1845). Francois added the 'Mieville' to his surname following his marriage to the widow Marie Mieville.

(Information thanks to Blakstone - 2009)

Trev.

[jgl]

Merci pour cette grande précision.
Je remarque que la traduction inverse votre datation "fin XVIII, début XIX°" si j'ai bien compris !
JGL

[jgl]

Merci de complèter l'information de Bladkstone :
Merci de m'indiquer la juridiction d'activité et les poinçons et symboles de
- Louis Marc Saunier Samuel (ou Louis Marc Samuel Saunier ?), et de
- Marie Miéville épouse de ???, 'orfèvre ancien ?', de quelle juridiction ?
JGL

Thank you for forwarding the information of Bladkstone:
Thank you for indicating the period of activity and symbols of the punches of
- Louis Marc Saunier Samuel (Marc and Louis Samuel Saunders?), And
- Marie Miéville wife??, Goldsmith old? ', In what jurisdiction?
JGL

[blakstone]

The information regarding Saunier(-Miéville) is from the recent book by Christian Hörack, L’Argenterie Lausannoise des XVIIIe et XIXe Siècles
 (Lausanne: Musée Historique, 2007), pp. 66-67 & 254, which I posted in an extensive thread about Swiss silver in different silver forum.

I made an error there; the father of François Saunier-Miéville (1804-1876/77), Louis-Marc-Samuel Saunier (1769-1845), was not French but of French descent. He was born in Nyon, canton Vaud, Switzerland and had moved to Lausanne by 1774. No works by him survive nor are any of his marks known, but a 1794 design for a censer by him does survive; it is illustrated in Hörack, p. 103.

The younger Saunier added the “Miéville” to his name when he married Marie Miéville, a widow with a young daughter. Saunier presumably added the hyphenate so that he and his new step-daughter would have the same surname.

Lausanne did not have any formal guild, so precise working dates for the silversmiths there are difficult to determine. Hörack gives working dates for Saunier-Miéville of 1839-1846, and notes that he also worked later as a salt factor, a doorman, and (by 1870) a jeweler. (He did not become a citizen of Lausanne - in the legal sense - until 1860.) All of Saunier-Miéville’s works illustrated by Hörack (a cream jug, a sugar sifter and a teapot) date to aruond 1840; also illustrated is a trade card (carte de visite), which I can try to scan and post, if anyone is interested.

Hörack lists, in addition to the “FS” mark here, two other marks of Saunier-Miéville: “SAUNIER” and “F:SAUNIER/A LAUSANNE” (the latter incuse). Two variant city marks are also noted; again, as there was no guild control of marking, these vary in design from maker to maker. Regarding the apparent dissimilarity of the city arms as they appear in the mark and the web illustration, it is to be noted that the tinctures (coloring) of the Lausanne arms - “gules, a chief argent” — are indicated by the traditional rules of hatching: gules by vertical lines, argent by no hatching at all.

Hope this helps!

[jgl]

Merci beaucoup Blackstone, pour cette réponse très complète et très satisfaisante.
Je viens de trouver une de vos réponse sur l'argent Suisse à "saumonée" posté 22/05/2007 20:42, sur le mêmes poinçons.

[jgl]

Cher Blackstone, je suis intéressé par le travail que vous vous proposez de réaliser sur la carte de visite de F. Saunier-Miéville.
JGL

[dognose]

Hi Blakstone,

Yes, I also would be interested in seeing a copy of his trade card.

Regards Trev.

[blakstone]

From Hörack’s L’Argenterie Lausannoise:

Trade card of François Saunier-Miéville




Marks of François Saunier-Miéville

[jgl]

Merci infiniment, Blackstone, vous êtes formidable !!!
JGL

[dognose]

Hi Blakstone,

Many thanks for sharing the images.

Regards Trev.

[salmoned]

I too follow and appreciate. ;)