Candlestand 19h century

[multiplequestions]

Hi,

I've got a pair of candlestands, I guess they date from 19th century. I also GUESS they are German or Austrian, but I don't know. I hardly know anything about them, but I'm quite sure they are silver. Has anybody any help concerning those hallmarks?





Thank you very much!

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

For a start, have you made a comparison to the marks on the German pages?
If not check here: http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884.html

Trev.

[multiplequestions]

Hi,

thanks! I did but I could not find a matching one. That animal mark seems to be a lion. There are lots of lions in German city marks but none exactly like this.

[swisssilver]

hello,
not sure but
i found a mark like this in
Rosenberg, 1922, nr 1283 and nr 1286
its the city mark of Braunschweig,
and the B is the yearletter 1700 to 1722
greatings
Koen

[JAKJO]

Hi,

Good job Swissilver!
I agree with you, in my opinion it is Braunschweig/Brunswick and mark 1286 (dated 1705) and the year letter "B" (dated 1700-1722).

And you Multipleqestions got a very nice pair of German baroque candelsticks. The type with the faceted socket above a knopped facetted baluster stem and the stepped octagonal foot is corresponding with the dating.

I am not able to help you with the master "IGR", but I hope someone else is.

Best regards/JAKJO

[Hose_dk]

but the top - is that not after 1750?
I have no idea regarding marks - but the top?

[multiplequestions]

Thanks a lot so far! The mark could also read IGB, it's not so well recognizable on the photo.

but the top - is that not after 1750?
I have no idea regarding marks - but the top?

Hi hose_dk: that is perfectly possible because the second candlestand goes without that top without having any traces of violation.

[JAKJO]

Hi,

I should have mentioned it, that the detachable nozzle, which stop the wax pouring down the stem of the candlestick, looks in my opinion to be at least a 100 years younger.

The nozzles became a regular feature by the 1740s and usually have the same decoration and conform in outline to the base of the candlestick.

Best regards/JAKJO

[JAKJO]

Hi again,

I am not an expert of heraldry, but to me it seems to be the armorial shield and crown of a count and the engraving seems to be contemporary with the candelsticks.

And the beforementioned referred mark


Best regards/JAKJO

[multiplequestions]

Great - thanks again, JAKJO. The marks look very similar to me, too.
How come you think the crest to be the crest of a count of all aristocrats? Sorry, I assuredly know less of heraldry than you.

[Bahner]

Hello, probably not Braunschweig. Spies does not document a maker’s mark like that for Braunschweig and the Baunschweig lion looked different at that time. I believe this to be the city mark of Hannover-Neustadt (they used a lion like that until 1824), the “B” would be the warden’s dateletter for 1726, IGR would be Johann Georg Renner, active there since ca. 1692, d. before June 12th, 1731. The dates seem to fit. Best wishes, Bahner

[multiplequestions]

.. keeps on being suspenseful, then. But the Braunschweig city mark looks very alike, too, doesn't it?

IGR would be Johann Georg Renner

I will try to find out something about him. Is it sure that he had IGR as a mark?

Thanks!

[Theoderich]

Hello, probably not Braunschweig. Spies does not document a maker’s mark like that for Braunschweig and the Baunschweig lion looked different at that time. I believe this to be the city mark of Hannover-Neustadt (they used a lion like that until 1824), the “B” would be the warden’s dateletter for 1726, IGR would be Johann Georg Renner, active there since ca. 1692, d. before June 12th, 1731. The dates seem to fit. Best wishes, Bahner

I am astonished - my first impression was - it is Braunschweig - like my spoon from ~1730
viewtopic.php?t=14012

If you are right - it should be given a reference in the Encyclopedia.

[Theoderich]

http://silberpunze.si.funpic.de/Punzen/ ... sicher.JPG

is this mark also Hannover-Neustadt?
(Neustadt am Rübenberge)

[Theoderich]

Bruck "an der Mur" (Austria) (on the River Mur)
have similar Civic Arms


my mark was from Bruck on the Mur
http://silberpunze.si.funpic.de/WFELS/B ... ich%29.JPG

[Boettcher Kunsthandel]

Hello,

these candlesticks are about 1700 and made in Hannover from Johann Georg Renner.