Unknown Frech maker FL

PHOTOS REQUIRED - marks + item
Post Reply
Kirils
contributor
Posts: 171
Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:10 am

Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by Kirils »

Hello. Does anyone know who this maker could be? didn't find him in my sources. Thank you in advance.

Image

Image

Image
JayT
contributor
Posts: 930
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:45 pm

Re: Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by JayT »

The maker of your ice cream service is not listed in Arminjon, and checking the Ministry of Culture database for Paris makers registered after 1878, I suggest the following:
François Lebat, manufacturing silversmith located in Paris at 43 rue de Montmorency. He first registered his mark 19 January 1897, erased 23 January 1920. His symbol was an awl (une alène de cordonnier), but unfortunately the database doesn’t show a picture of his symbol. So if it looks like an awl to you, then Lebat might be your man.
Good luck in your further research!
JayT
contributor
Posts: 930
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:45 pm

Re: Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by JayT »

Update:
François was Labat, not Lebat. Sorry for the typo in the last name. He is your man!
He was the successor of Labat & Pugibet, who were in business 1877-1897, using the same symbol of an awl. This mark with the symbol is clearly illustrated in David Allan’s Le couvert et la coutellerie de table française du XIX siècle, p.306. Allan tells us that Labat & Pugibert were the nephews and successors of Joseph Adoue. They were suppliers to the upscale store L’Escalier de Cristal.
To make matters better, as dumb luck would have it, Allan illustrates a pie server in your pattern on p.248.
JayT
contributor
Posts: 930
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:45 pm

Re: Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by JayT »

Kirils
contributor
Posts: 171
Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:10 am

Re: Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by Kirils »

JayT wrote:The maker of your ice cream service is not listed in Arminjon, and checking the Ministry of Culture database for Paris makers registered after 1878, I suggest the following:
François Lebat, manufacturing silversmith located in Paris at 43 rue de Montmorency. He first registered his mark 19 January 1897, erased 23 January 1920. His symbol was an awl (une alène de cordonnier), but unfortunately the database doesn’t show a picture of his symbol. So if it looks like an awl to you, then Lebat might be your man.
Good luck in your further research!
JayT wrote:Update:
François was Labat, not Lebat. Sorry for the typo in the last name. He is your man!
He was the successor of Labat & Pugibet, who were in business 1877-1897, using the same symbol of an awl. This mark with the symbol is clearly illustrated in David Allan’s Le couvert et la coutellerie de table française du XIX siècle, p.306. Allan tells us that Labat & Pugibert were the nephews and successors of Joseph Adoue. They were suppliers to the upscale store L’Escalier de Cristal.
To make matters better, as dumb luck would have it, Allan illustrates a pie server in your pattern on p.248.
JayT wrote:See also Trev’s post about Labat
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34542&p=121559&hilit=Labat#p121559
Thank you very much for such a big research. I agree with you that this is François Labat, but their symbol is strange and it is hard to understand what it is.
JayT
contributor
Posts: 930
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:45 pm

Re: Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by JayT »

You’re welcome.
The symbol is a tool called an awl in English, or alène in French. The last post referenced shows a clear picture of the symbol.
Enjoy your beautiful service!
blakstone
contributor
Posts: 876
Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:05 am

Re: Unknown Frech maker FL

Post by blakstone »

Francois Marie Raymond Labat

Born: 3 Jul 1843, Cazeres, Haut-Garonne, son of Jean Vincent Labat & Philippe Antoinette Adoue (sister of Joseph Adoue)
Married: 14 Sep 1867, Paris, 5th arrondissement, to Therese Eugenie Francois, daughter of Louis Charles Francois and Hortense Soibant.

I have not been able to find any information regarding is death, though it was presumably around 1920 when his mark was struck off.
Post Reply

Return to “French Silver”