Need help with maker ML Cie

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Kirils
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Need help with maker ML Cie

Postby Kirils » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:08 am

Hello. I have this set with an unknown maker. What it looks like, it is ML and Cie with leaf in a middle, probably a maker, and E. Millet is a shop in Carcassonne, where it was sold. Any information on this maker? Thank you in Advance.

PS: I already saw this post, but it does not look like a bay leaf, and it is with Cie: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53117&p=167377&hilit=ML+Cie#p167377

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JayT
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Re: Need help with maker ML Cie

Postby JayT » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:58 am

Hello
Thanks for your clear pictures. The maker is not from Paris, but a French province, as seen by the symbol (différent) next to Minerva’s forehead. Unfortunately I can’t quite decipher this squiggle, so can’t tell you where your service was made.
However, the retailer Millet jewellers has been in business at Carcassonne since 1878, according to their Facebook page. Started by Eugène Millet, now operated by Vincent Millet. This gives some indication of the age of your service.
Suggest you contact Millet for help with your question, if all else fails. They might have a record of their supplier, or know immediately who M.L.& Cie is.
Good luck in your research, and please let us know what you discover if no one here can help.

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Re: Need help with maker ML Cie

Postby Kirils » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:05 am

JayT wrote:Hello
Thanks for your clear pictures. The maker is not from Paris, but a French province, as seen by the symbol (différent) next to Minerva’s forehead. Unfortunately I can’t quite decipher this squiggle, so can’t tell you where your service was made.
However, the retailer Millet jewellers has been in business at Carcassonne since 1878, according to their Facebook page. Started by Eugène Millet, now operated by Vincent Millet. This gives some indication of the age of your service.
Suggest you contact Millet for help with your question, if all else fails. They might have a record of their supplier, or know immediately who M.L.& Cie is.
Good luck in your research, and please let us know what you discover if no one here can help.


Hello JayT. Thank you very much for your reply. I have checked all of other Minervas marks on this set and it is not a symbol. It is number 1. That should be Paris then. I have contacted retailer Millet, and now waiting for their answer. I will let you know if there will be any answer.

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Re: Need help with maker ML Ci

Postby JayT » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:53 pm

Hello
Thanks for the update.
Given what we assume to be the age of manufacture, this mark should appear in the French Ministry of Culture database for Paris marks registered after 1878, but no luck for M.L. with an ivy leaf symbol. Nor does the maker appear in Arminjon v. I or II.
I hope the retailer will help you clarify this mystery.
Regards

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Re: Need help with maker ML Cie

Postby blakstone » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:46 pm

As a point of clarification, in the first standard Minerva the assay office code is under her chin; the "1" is always in front of her forehead. These positions are reversed in the second standard Minerva. It is also occasionally possible to differentiate Paris from the Provinces by the bigorne marks; in Paris the insects are depicted from the side, in the Provinces, they are seen from above. Given that the maker doesn't appear in any of the Paris resources, it might be worth cleaning the Minerva marks and taking a second look under her chin.


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