Unknown French maker...
Unknown French maker...
Dear Forum,
Can anyone please tell me the name of this maker? I think it must be a French maker around 1815. I cannot read the number in the helmet of the man, so it is very difficult for me to find the name of this maker.
8/9 I add two more photo's and I think the number in the helmet is "13"
Thanks in advance.
Regards, Athos
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Can anyone please tell me the name of this maker? I think it must be a French maker around 1815. I cannot read the number in the helmet of the man, so it is very difficult for me to find the name of this maker.
8/9 I add two more photo's and I think the number in the helmet is "13"
Thanks in advance.
Regards, Athos
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Last edited by Athos on Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Dear Athos, The maker's mark is the losange including G and J. Could you please describe what is between the letters because it is what will help me find the maker. Is it a flower ?
The man with the helmet shows it was assayed in the french province not Paris. and the last hallmark shows it is 950 silver.
Dates are definately between 1809 and 1819
Thanking you in advance for your reply
Best Regards
Myriam
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The man with the helmet shows it was assayed in the french province not Paris. and the last hallmark shows it is 950 silver.
Dates are definately between 1809 and 1819
Thanking you in advance for your reply
Best Regards
Myriam
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Dear Athos, what his difficult is because you cannot decifer what is in the Helmet because it could give an indication for the region.
I know that there was a maker with GJ as initials in the East of France, namely Strasbourg in the same date period and he was specialised in cups, chalices and church items. If at least I had confirmation of the region, I could talk to some silversmith because I am myself born in the East of France.
Is it really impossible to get a better picture or at least if you could make an enlarged drawing ?
Best Regards
Myriam
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I know that there was a maker with GJ as initials in the East of France, namely Strasbourg in the same date period and he was specialised in cups, chalices and church items. If at least I had confirmation of the region, I could talk to some silversmith because I am myself born in the East of France.
Is it really impossible to get a better picture or at least if you could make an enlarged drawing ?
Best Regards
Myriam
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Here are some possiblities. I found this site referred to on another silver forum and it has been very useful!
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/marque_fr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/marque_fr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Adam,
Thanks, great resource. I could not make the search utility work well, is it not user friendly or just poor French on my part? Choosing "orfevre" and mark 'GJ" brought me to a page with a link of the initials, clicking them just brought back to the search page. I did finally track this down (though not through search)
GL to GC
Thanks, Tom
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Thanks, great resource. I could not make the search utility work well, is it not user friendly or just poor French on my part? Choosing "orfevre" and mark 'GJ" brought me to a page with a link of the initials, clicking them just brought back to the search page. I did finally track this down (though not through search)
GL to GC
Thanks, Tom
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Hi,
I have been using this resource for a while but I knew that it was not very user friendly and that it had the main drawback of being in french. It is the reason why I was reluctant to mention it on the forum.
Now it is disclosed, which is certainly a good thing, for those who understand french.
Concerning Tom's problem with the initials, you must be aware of a syntax rule : each letter of the initials string must be followed by a dot as it is explained somewhere in the help (in french !!!).
For instance instead of typing in GJ in the 'initiales' field, you must type in G.J. (the dot after the J seems to be mandatory)
With this syntax rule in mind, it leads you to a page which lists all the matching makers.
By the way, it is better to use the following link, which is much richer:
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/documentatio ... -frame.htm
On the left side, clicking on the 'recherche avancée' item you can access the same database, wheras when you click on the 'Accès par liste' item, you get access to the list of makers and to the list of maker's marks description (still in french !!!).
This database is under the responsibility of the french ministry for culture and therefore reliable. But it is not exhaustive and covers only the parisian makers for a rather short period of time (I do not know which period).
Hope this helps.
Dinio
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I have been using this resource for a while but I knew that it was not very user friendly and that it had the main drawback of being in french. It is the reason why I was reluctant to mention it on the forum.
Now it is disclosed, which is certainly a good thing, for those who understand french.
Concerning Tom's problem with the initials, you must be aware of a syntax rule : each letter of the initials string must be followed by a dot as it is explained somewhere in the help (in french !!!).
For instance instead of typing in GJ in the 'initiales' field, you must type in G.J. (the dot after the J seems to be mandatory)
With this syntax rule in mind, it leads you to a page which lists all the matching makers.
By the way, it is better to use the following link, which is much richer:
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/documentatio ... -frame.htm
On the left side, clicking on the 'recherche avancée' item you can access the same database, wheras when you click on the 'Accès par liste' item, you get access to the list of makers and to the list of maker's marks description (still in french !!!).
This database is under the responsibility of the french ministry for culture and therefore reliable. But it is not exhaustive and covers only the parisian makers for a rather short period of time (I do not know which period).
Hope this helps.
Dinio
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