Unknown French maker...

PHOTOS REQUIRED - marks + item
Athos
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am

Unknown French maker...

Postby Athos » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:23 am

Dear Forum,

Can anyone please tell me the name of this maker? I think it must be a French maker around 1815. I cannot read the number in the helmet of the man, so it is very difficult for me to find the name of this maker.

8/9 I add two more photo's and I think the number in the helmet is "13"

Thanks in advance.
Regards, Athos

Image
Image
Image
Image
.
Last edited by Athos on Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.

frenchie_myriam
contributor
Posts: 236
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:05 pm
Location: Brussels

Postby frenchie_myriam » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:12 pm

Dear Athos, The maker's mark is the losange including G and J. Could you please describe what is between the letters because it is what will help me find the maker. Is it a flower ?

The man with the helmet shows it was assayed in the french province not Paris. and the last hallmark shows it is 950 silver.

Dates are definately between 1809 and 1819

Thanking you in advance for your reply
Best Regards
Myriam
.

Athos
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am

Postby Athos » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:59 pm

Thanks Myriam,

Between the G and J there is an ear(of corn) "korenaar"

Best regards,
Athos
.

frenchie_myriam
contributor
Posts: 236
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:05 pm
Location: Brussels

Postby frenchie_myriam » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:55 am

Dear Athos,

Unfortunately I only have the marks for Paris Silversmith and yours has been made in the french Province. So maybe someone else can help.

Best Regards
Myriam
.

Athos
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am

Postby Athos » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:38 pm

Thanks Myriam,,

I hope somebody knows this maker. I know it's very difficult, I am already searching for more then a year.

Athos
.

frenchie_myriam
contributor
Posts: 236
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:05 pm
Location: Brussels

Postby frenchie_myriam » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:08 pm

Dear Athos, what his difficult is because you cannot decifer what is in the Helmet because it could give an indication for the region.

I know that there was a maker with GJ as initials in the East of France, namely Strasbourg in the same date period and he was specialised in cups, chalices and church items. If at least I had confirmation of the region, I could talk to some silversmith because I am myself born in the East of France.

Is it really impossible to get a better picture or at least if you could make an enlarged drawing ?

Best Regards
Myriam
.

Athos
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am

Postby Athos » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:45 pm

Dear Myriam,

I tried to make some better photo's and at the end I think I see 13 in the Helmet of the man.
I hope we come a little closer to the maker of these sugar vases.
Best regards

Athos
.

Adam.NYC
Posts: 150
Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:15 pm
Location: NYC

Postby Adam.NYC » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:27 pm

Here are some possiblities. I found this site referred to on another silver forum and it has been very useful!

http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/marque_fr
.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2492
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:52 pm

Postby admin » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:39 pm

Adam,
Thanks, great resource. I could not make the search utility work well, is it not user friendly or just poor French on my part? Choosing "orfevre" and mark 'GJ" brought me to a page with a link of the initials, clicking them just brought back to the search page. I did finally track this down (though not through search)
GL to GC
Thanks, Tom
.

Athos
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:49 am

Postby Athos » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:04 pm

Thanks Adam and Tom,

It is a very interesting site and very usefull.

Athos
.

Adam.NYC
Posts: 150
Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:15 pm
Location: NYC

Postby Adam.NYC » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:45 pm

You're welcome!

Adam
.

dinio
contributor
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:01 am
Location: France

Postby dinio » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:45 pm

Hi,

I have been using this resource for a while but I knew that it was not very user friendly and that it had the main drawback of being in french. It is the reason why I was reluctant to mention it on the forum.

Now it is disclosed, which is certainly a good thing, for those who understand french.

Concerning Tom's problem with the initials, you must be aware of a syntax rule : each letter of the initials string must be followed by a dot as it is explained somewhere in the help (in french !!!).

For instance instead of typing in GJ in the 'initiales' field, you must type in G.J. (the dot after the J seems to be mandatory)

With this syntax rule in mind, it leads you to a page which lists all the matching makers.

By the way, it is better to use the following link, which is much richer:
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/documentation/marque/orfeo-frame.htm

On the left side, clicking on the 'recherche avancée' item you can access the same database, wheras when you click on the 'Accès par liste' item, you get access to the list of makers and to the list of maker's marks description (still in french !!!).

This database is under the responsibility of the french ministry for culture and therefore reliable. But it is not exhaustive and covers only the parisian makers for a rather short period of time (I do not know which period).

Hope this helps.

Dinio
.

Silvy
Posts: 59
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:15 pm
Location: Luxemburg

Postby Silvy » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:11 pm

Hello,
the number on the man`s helmet is the number of the departement.In this case 13 "Bouche du Rhone".So that item will have been produced to 99% at Marseille.
best regards
silvy
.


Return to “French Silver”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests