Please Help To Identify Silversmith On French Silver Cutlery

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cgonzalez100
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Please Help To Identify Silversmith On French Silver Cutlery

Postby cgonzalez100 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:09 pm

I have a set of French silver cutlery. I tried to identify the maker but I am having difficulty finding a silversmith with these initials and symbol. The maker's mark looks very similar to that of Guillaume DENINGER, Maison DENIÈRE, a spoon with a ribbon above a gear or wheel. But the initials are N.D. instead of G.D.
I do not know if there is a connection, perhaps a successor?
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
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Traintime
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Re: Please Help To Identify Silversmith On French Silver Cutlery

Postby Traintime » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:53 pm

The list of Parisian Silversmiths and Jewelers up to 1914 with "no marks illustrated" indicates a Nicolas Doubesky (N. D.) List is under makers marks, in this case the "N" section. Guessing your Minerva in cartouche is for the pre-1972 type indicating .950 fineness (chart for old marks). Hope this answer doesn't complicate your search. Good Luck.

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Re: Please Help To Identify Silversmith On French Silver Cutlery

Postby Zilver2 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:28 am

Hello,
The mark belongs indeed to Guillaume Denière, 9 rue d'Orléans, Paris.
The letter N is considered as a part of the symbol (N° 03326).
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Re: Please Help To Identify Silversmith On French Silver Cutlery

Postby cgonzalez100 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:26 pm

Thank you both for taking the time to aid in my search, I greatly appreciate your help and expertise.
I searched for the ND mark, including searching this wonderful site, and discovered that there were only a couple of silversmith's with those exact initials. Nicolas Doubesky used a flambeau/torch as his logo. Zilver2, you are correct. Indeed this mark is that of Denière. I did not realize he would use this mark in addition to the more common one with his initials.Thank you again for confirming my suspicion that this mark was connected to Denière

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Re: Please Help To Identify Silversmith On French Silver Cutlery

Postby Traintime » Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:45 pm

Looks like a good one for updating the encyclopedia listings! Can we get the source information on where the marks were identified for future reference? May help someone else. Great info.!


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