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Hi

I'd really appreciate help with identifying the maker of this piece.





Thanks in advance

Mary

In my humble opinion this not consistent with 18th century French marking.
But let`s wait what more knowlegable members of the forum have to say.
Regards

Hello Mary
Is there a number at the top of the P date letter mark, under the crown? Is there a discharge mark?

Hello JayT,

the number at the top of the P under the crown should be the last two numbers of the production-year. So it should be a 87.

Best regards, Ringo

Have saved and enlarged the image almost 5 times with all features of the mark still recognizable; there is no two-digit year.
Let`s wait for discharge mark, if any.
But so far, this is suspicious.

Hi, yes there is a very small 87 beneath the crown.

Another suspicious 1787.
(The beaker, poorly soldered base).
Is it possible there`s no discharge mark?

Yes, R ingo, I asked the question about a number under the crown and over the P because I know what should be there, and didn't see it. Nor did AG2012 see it.

Mary, the owner of this square serving dish or jattedoes see a small 87. I am concerned about the size of the number. This is the size and proportion that the year number should be (although this example is from 1786):

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Also of concern is the placement of the marks on the under rim of the dish rather than on the bottom.

Let's wait and see if a discharge mark can be found at this point.

Best regards.

Examples of 1787.
Are two year digits raised or impressed? The distance between the crown and ``P`` loop looks different; very small digits whenever impressed. Are both variants normal? Being for the same year, I doubt it.
Btw. what`s correct discharge mark with this ``A``? An eagle (seen here),dog`s head (Rosenberg # 6544 and # 6545) or both?

The 87 is part of the punch. The numbers are not added later. They are slightly raised.

Discharge marks are a function of the amount of tax paid, which is a reflection of weight. This object bears the crowned A charge mark for large and medium objects, in use from 1783-1789. Therefore the discharge mark could be any of the following: a head of a griffon in profile facing left with open mouth for large objects; the head of a youth in profile facing left with hair done in a bun, or an eagle head in profile facing left with beak slightly open for medium objects. Small and very small objects have a different charge mark: two interlaced Ls. The discharge marks for small objects are a bird head in profile facing left for small objects; and a jasmine flower for very small objects. In summary, there must be concordance between the charge mark and the discharge mark.

JayT
Thanks for detailed information in regard of discharge mark. It`s not clearly explained elsewhere.
So, two digit year mark should be ``slightly raised``. It`s obviously impressed in several examples I have seen.
Thanks again.

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May also be said.

Sincerely
Dendried

Thank you Dendriet for your kind remarks.
JAyT