Hallmarks matching

[Annie1]

I am not sure if the marks on a Victorian teapot must be the same as the marks on the lid.

[admin]

Hello,

Are you asking about a British hallmarked piece?

Regards, Tom

[Annie1]

Yes Tom. Young Victorian head is on it. Date I think 1847. London mark. The maker is I.W. [James Wirtle?] But the lid has a shield with J.D and W.D. and the london mark.I am no expert! Thank you for your interest.

[admin]

The lid would be marked, but incompletely, it should have a lion passant and matching date letter.
Regards, Tom

[Annie1]

Thanks. It doesn't have a date letter; just the lion and the sort of shield with those initials in it. How disappointing!
The lid fits and looks right. I wonder what happened.

[dognose]

Hi,

The additional hallmarks struck on the seperately made pieces of such items as the lids of teapots does on occasion vary, but should contain at least the Lion Passent which, if space permits, is usually accompanied by the date letter, but I have on occasion seen the Lion Passant with the Town Mark or the Duty Mark.

As to the maker's mark on the lid differing from that of the one on the pot itself, this is not uncommon. Imagine the situation of the Footman polishing the household silver, there may have been three or four teapots to polish, and when he finished he would then replace the lids onto the pots and as long as they fitted, he would have given the matter no further thought.

Trev.

[admin]

Annie,
Why not post photos of the piece and marks in the British section?

Regards, Tom

[Annie1]

Hi,

The additional hallmarks struck on the seperately made pieces of such items as the lids of teapots does on occasion vary, but should contain at least the Lion Passent which, if space permits, is usually accompanied by the date letter, but I have on occasion seen the Lion Passant with the Town Mark or the Duty Mark.

As to the maker's mark on the lid differing from that of the one on the pot itself, this is not uncommon. Imagine the situation of the Footman polishing the household silver, there may have been three or four teapots to polish, and when he finished he would then replace the lids onto the pots and as long as they fitted, he would have given the matter no further thought.

Trev.

Thanks Trev That would be a good explanation. But the lid is attached to the teapot,so not removable. I will try to send a photo.

[silvertt]

Hi,
My suggestion is that the lid is a replacement. Since it attached to the body it's quite possible that an unfortunate event overtook the original lid and James Deakin & Sons were commissioned by the owner to make a 'new' lid. The replacement would have been made after 1890 since it would have been required to have a duty mark, providing it exceeded the weight and proportion criteria. It is surprising that it does not have a complete set of marks. I suppose a lid swap is possible. Certainly if the hinge is surface mounted rather that concealed it would be an easier job.
Hope this helps.
Tony

[Annie1]

Thank you all so much for your help. (admin edit - see Posting Requirements )

[Annie1]

Sorry, I did not realise it was against the rules. I am still grateful for your help. It is a brilliant website. Best wishes. Annie1