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Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:39 pm
by Arizona
Any idea of this family crest? it does sound familiar to me but no idea really. It has a tinny star in the bottom, then the crown and then (what I think is) a gyrfalcon.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:26 pm
by dognose
Hi,
An image of the marks may help, it would at least give country of origin, rough dateline, etc.
Trev.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:59 pm
by Arizona
Sorry its a bit blurry, best I could get.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:06 pm
by dognose
John & Henry Lias, London, 1818.
Trev.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:22 pm
by Arizona
Yes, I know that. I am asking about the family crest that is on the other side.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:35 am
by dognose
All replies posted on this forum are for the benefit of anyone interested enough to read them, not just the OP!
Trev.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:20 pm
by Arizona
Yes true. I will post any news of the family crest if I find anything.
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:51 pm
by davidappleton
The figure is a martlet perched on/atop a mural coronet.
Unfortunately, I do not find any crests of this design in Fairbairn's Crests, the best source for hunting down English crests.
David
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:40 am
by Arizona
Thanks so much David, very very helpful. Sorry for the misleading tittle, but it is definitively a martlet, and a mural crown. Toy/Toye or Sewel families have the same family crest.
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Then the mural coronet in both of this crests have 5 towers (meaning town?), and the one I have has 3 (meaning village?). I don't know if this is makes it a different family crest, but getting closer.
Thanks again
Re: Gyrfalcon over crown
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:10 pm
by davidappleton
In English heraldry, I don't think there is any particular meaning to the number of crenelles (three or five) on a mural coronet; it's more something that is left up to the artist.
I did find the crest ascribed to the Toy/Toye family of Gloucestershire in a different edition of Fairbairn's Crests.
David