Gyrfalcon over crown

[Arizona]

Any idea of this family crest? it does sound familiar to me but no idea really. It has a tinny star in the bottom, then the crown and then (what I think is) a gyrfalcon.

[dognose]

Hi,

An image of the marks may help, it would at least give country of origin, rough dateline, etc.

Trev.

[Arizona]

Sorry its a bit blurry, best I could get.

[dognose]

John & Henry Lias, London, 1818.

Trev.

[Arizona]

Yes, I know that. I am asking about the family crest that is on the other side.

[dognose]

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Trev.

[Arizona]

Yes true. I will post any news of the family crest if I find anything.

[davidappleton]

The figure is a martlet perched on/atop a mural coronet.

Unfortunately, I do not find any crests of this design in Fairbairn's Crests, the best source for hunting down English crests.

David

[Arizona]

Thanks so much David, very very helpful. Sorry for the misleading tittle, but it is definitively a martlet, and a mural crown. Toy/Toye or Sewel families have the same family crest.

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Then the mural coronet in both of this crests have 5 towers (meaning town?), and the one I have has 3 (meaning village?). I don't know if this is makes it a different family crest, but getting closer.
Thanks again

[davidappleton]

In English heraldry, I don't think there is any particular meaning to the number of crenelles (three or five) on a mural coronet; it's more something that is left up to the artist.

I did find the crest ascribed to the Toy/Toye family of Gloucestershire in a different edition of Fairbairn's Crests.

David