Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

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adong
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Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

Postby adong » Sat May 19, 2018 6:15 am

Hi All,

I am new and not familiar to how the forum works.
What I would like to ask you experts today is for some help on family crests.
The first piece is a dessert fork with shell pattern by William Park. Made in Australia c.1840 with pseudo marks

https://imgur.com/a/etvqP8u
https://imgur.com/a/wXWtUji

The crest is a deer with a script that I struggle to read.

Any clues or direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

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Re: Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

Postby adong » Sat May 19, 2018 6:57 am

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Re: Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

Postby bstaunto » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:50 pm

Hi there,

A nice piece of Australian silver.

From my anecdotal evidence, I think this WP maker was the most prolific maker in Sydney in the 1840s. It is hard to know who it was, William Park is the identification offered by Houstone in his book, but even he is unsure, it is based one record of Park being a transported silversmith I think.

Anyways, the writing looks like "Marianne ". There was a ship referred to by that name transporting people around that time. I haven't been able to find a resource for ships crests, but that might be an avenue for research.

Cheers,

Ben

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Re: Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

Postby Traintime » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:07 am

Wouldn't have expected it myself, but English census records for 1861 do show a "Mariamre" (Bailey) listed for a female name going back to 1816. Could be a typo for "Mariamne" (known name/ancient origin). [While the large Gothic M has a finishing line jutting upwards right, I couldn't see why a second "n" for "Marianne" would terminate this way, thus the search for Mariamre.]
As for ships...seems to be at least three (1700's - 1840's era) named Mary Ann or Mary Anne related to Australia, but could not find a "Marianne" as mentioned. Convict vessels list here: https://convictrecords.com.au/ships
The Marianimal-over-torse (or merry animal), I leave to our members with expert knowledge of things heraldic...one will probably visit this in time when they can.

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Re: Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

Postby AG2012 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:29 am

Hi,
The only connection of stag trippant with Australia (at least what I have found) is Clan Scott.

http://clanscottaustraliagroup.moonfrui ... 4577281208

Makes sense that Marianne Scott had her family crest engraved.
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Re: Help with Family Crests on Early Colonial Australian Silver - I?

Postby Traintime » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:12 pm

A long shot, but there is a Mary Ann (born c.1819?) whose mother married a Mr. Scott (Sidney area) and was half-sister to his daughters (younger than Mary Ann). Even though she uses a different last name, if the family Scott welcomed a new member they might put that person's name on a dining item. There may be a reason, which we don't have, for the spelling difference. Since Mr. Scott reportedly has a reversal of fortunes c.1850, we might assume the family was better set financially around the time the item was made or engraved.


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