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Crest on silver box
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:27 pm
by JanGroen
Good evening
Do anyone recognize this coats of arms found on a silver snuff box? It seems to have a dragon in one corner. Does the crown means it is a royal or Nobel family? I think it is from Austria but not certain.
Groete
Jannie
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:45 pm
by DianaGaleM
A coronet of nine tines with pearls would indicate a Count. It's consistent with an Austrian or German origin.
If you'll supply a clearer, brighter image of the coat of arms, I'll take a crack at it.
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:24 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Hatching was used in black and white printing as well as in engraving to depict particular heraldic tinctures (colors). It`s the system of lines and dots representing colors.
This is the coat of arms in color helping the search for counts in Germany and Austria.
Regards
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:35 am
by JanGroen
AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Hatching was used in black and white printing as well as in engraving to depict particular heraldic tinctures (colors). It`s the system of lines and dots representing colors.
This is the coat of arms in color helping the search for counts in Germany and Austria.
Regards
Good Day
Thank you for helping with the colors. It looks like a combination of 3 coats of arms.Someone commented that the nine pearled crown is used by counts. So maybe 3 counties ruled by one leader? Wonder if the eagle were a black or red one...
At least we know the box were made before 1886. Can it be that the box were made close to where the count lived?
Jannie
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:42 am
by DianaGaleM
Yes, I'm aware of how hatching is used to represent tincture. I was hoping you could supply an image that was clearer.
The tinctures are perplexing because a basic rule of heraldry is that you cannot have color against color (or metal against metal). You have the metal gold (represented by yellow) next to the color gules (red) which is allowed, but the gules is next to blue (azure), which is not allowed. This usage argues against this being a real coat of arms.
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:58 am
by JanGroen
Here is the better image
Hope it helps
Jannie
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:00 am
by JanGroen
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:57 am
by JanGroen
Good evening
Any new clues about this coat of arms? This is the brightest picture I could get. The chest is 7mm x 10mm so it may have been difficult to put in the colour patterns.
Jannie
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:13 am
by JanGroen
If I understand the tinctures correctly, it is a black eagle on a white/silver background on the top left corner. The bottom left seems like yellow/gold diamond shapes on blue.
Jannie
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:36 am
by AG2012
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:57 am
by JanGroen
Thank you. So they are gold lozenges on a blue background.
Jannie
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:00 pm
by AG2012
Hi,
Yes, and we agreed on Continental, not Commonwealth usage.
Take a look here:
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=46304
Re: Crest on silver box
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:42 am
by DianaGaleM
The arms have a heavy line down the middle. This suggests impalement, that is, two coats of arms representing the union of the husband and wife, with the husband's arms on the dexter side (on the shield's right — our left). Impalement can also indicate the union of two institutions or other entities (civic, academic, etc.).
The bird is probably an eagle, but may not be.
