Unknown Russian crest and marks

[zilverik]

Hi,

This is a large deep Russian plate with a family crest. Anyone knows the crest? And maybe the marks as well?
As for the marks under the plate in a row, I read (a double struck and hard to read) 1861 and I.B. in cyrillic = I.W unidentified master? (nr 1209, but then without a second dot, Verzeichnis der Russischen Gold- und Silbermarken), an unidentified ancre, the name Malez.

Regards,

Zilverik

[oel]

Hi Zilverik,

Please see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22236&p=52546&hilit=malez#p52546

Regards,

Oel

[zilverik]

Hi Oel,

You did it again with the marks! Incredible.

Many thanks,

Zilverik

[zilverik]

Hi,

So this is Poland, Warszawa, Mailcz, in the Russian Period 1861. Than the question of the Family Crest is still there. A Warschau family?

Regards,

Zilverik

[zilverik]

Hi Oel,

I found this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=24708

Now I hope this deep plate isn't a fake as a lot of other of objects with the "Malcz" name.

Regards,

Zilverik

[Qrt.S]

No this is not a fake as far as I can see, compare it with the marks in the showed links. This is correct marking. It is Karol Malcz 1855-1867 and the assayer IB (Latin letters) is Ian Biedgunowski 1850-1865 in Warszaw. The anchor is Malcz's trade mark. Polish silver from the Russian period is often marked with the maker's mark and the makers trade mark.

[Zolotnik]

Hi zilverik -

the shown assay master´s mark is not in cyrillic but in Latin! It belongs to Jan Biedgunowski, on duty in Warzaw 1850-1865 - the city mark was the Imperial Eagle (often mistaken for Minsk)! I can not read the date but if it is 1861 it is perfect for Malcz as well as for Biedgunowski. You have all you need: Townmark, assayer+date, silver content acc. to the rules, a maker (K. Malcz) and as use in Warzaw, his trade mark (anchor). The quality is OK and the object is authentic. Do not be disappointed....

Regards
Zolotnik

[Zolotnik]

Hi zilverik -

forget the crests - here you go: http://gerbovnik.ru/- enjoy!
(admin edit - link repaired)

Regards
Zolotnik

[zilverik]

Hi Zolotnik,

Thank you very much!
Great! So that impuls to buy it was not that bad after all. Makes up for a some of my mistakes.
I don't know what you mean by your link to gerbovnik.ru. I can't read Russian. What should I see on that site?

Regards,

Zilverik

[Zolotnik]

Hi zilverik -
open the site, click on the alphabeth and try to find your crest, Russian and Polish nobels are rather similar. If it is a non-noble crest you are looking in vain.
Sometimes you have to work for yourself...

Regards
Zolotnik

[zilverik]

Hi Oel, Qrt.S and Zolotnik,

Thank you very much!

Regards,

Zilverik

[nobilityhouse]

Hello Zilverik,
It appears to be for the LUBICZ or Любич family of Poland. Kind regards.
Nobility House.

[zilverik]

Hello Nobility House,

Great! Thank you!

Kind regards,

zilverik