Gyrfalcon over crown

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Arizona
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Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby Arizona » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:39 pm

Any idea of this family crest? it does sound familiar to me but no idea really. It has a tinny star in the bottom, then the crown and then (what I think is) a gyrfalcon.

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby dognose » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:26 pm

Hi,

An image of the marks may help, it would at least give country of origin, rough dateline, etc.

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby Arizona » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:59 pm

Sorry its a bit blurry, best I could get.
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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby dognose » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:06 pm

John & Henry Lias, London, 1818.

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby Arizona » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:22 pm

Yes, I know that. I am asking about the family crest that is on the other side.

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby dognose » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:35 am

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby Arizona » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:20 pm

Yes true. I will post any news of the family crest if I find anything.

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby davidappleton » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:51 pm

The figure is a martlet perched on/atop a mural coronet.

Unfortunately, I do not find any crests of this design in Fairbairn's Crests, the best source for hunting down English crests.

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby Arizona » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:40 am

Thanks so much David, very very helpful. Sorry for the misleading tittle, but it is definitively a martlet, and a mural crown. Toy/Toye or Sewel families have the same family crest.

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Then the mural coronet in both of this crests have 5 towers (meaning town?), and the one I have has 3 (meaning village?). I don't know if this is makes it a different family crest, but getting closer.
Thanks again

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Re: Gyrfalcon over crown

Postby davidappleton » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:10 pm

In English heraldry, I don't think there is any particular meaning to the number of crenelles (three or five) on a mural coronet; it's more something that is left up to the artist.

I did find the crest ascribed to the Toy/Toye family of Gloucestershire in a different edition of Fairbairn's Crests.

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