Silver cup

[solo]

Please help identify silver hallmark, maker's mark.

[oel]

Hi Solo,

Hanging overblown tulip.
To me it appears the bottom of your cup has been replaced or tampered with. The town mark, to me looks OK for Amsterdam, 17th century, year letter L for 1673, the maker's mark unclear, could be R(?) perhaps tampered with, and unidentified.
What can you tell us about its provenance, and the letters/text around the rim of the cup?


Peter.

[AG2012]

Hi,
Not authentic. The foot was soldered at later date.
Marks seem to be struck on the cup itself,which is difficult to explain; inscription in Russian with Amsterdam marks.
Four issues betraying it`s not authentic:
1.Asymmetry of the cup (flat,low position on the foot).
2.Poorly cut circumference of the foot
3.Too much unnecessary filing
4.Poor soldering
Regards

[solo]

Good day
maybe this cup a little later
soldered a new bottom
and in a circle put commemorative inscriptions.
Maybe someone has a photo of such cups without a leg?

[oel]

Good day to you too,

Perhaps a reminder of the Dutch Tulip Mania;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania



Yes, the foot could be a later attachment. What are the sizes of this cup, without the foot ?

Another small beaker on three feet made in Middelburg, 3rd quarter 17 century;

sizes; height 4 cm, diam. 3.5 cm.
Beaker Gorinchem year 1648

Height 10.5 cm

Peter

Source; Beeling Nederlands zilver 1600-1813

[solo]

Yes, the foot could be a later attachment. What are the sizes of this cup, without the foot ?

Good day
height 7.5 cm, diameter 7 cm

[oel]

Thanks and the weight?


Peter.

[solo]

The weight of the cup is 137.7 grams
It seems big to me for such a size,
what is your opinion?

[AG2012]

That`s what call unsolved mystery; Russian inscription on a beaker with Amsterdam marks, foot added later, and not even well done,either.
There is nothing to help us to solve the mystery.
Regards

[oel]

Indeed a mystery. It is a nice beaker with good engravings. I believe the beaker to be 17th century and made in Amsterdam. Unfortunately the foot has been added later. The Russian inscription, what does it say, has it any meaning, can it be translated into English?
The maker's mark is unknown to me.


Peter.