A silver ship

[amena]

Good morning everyone
I have a question regarding a silver ship which I believe to be Dutch.

The hallmarking consists of the mark: sword with 833,
the silversmith's mark: ZZ separated by a hammer,
and two other marks which on the Tardy are described as "remarque", but without providing other explanations.
One is engraved with the number 100, the other seems to have nothing.

Any news about it will be very welcome.
Thanks for the attention
Amena

[amena]

Excuse me : sword with 835

[Qrt.S]

This is actually a question for Peter, but as I happen to know the answer I can tell you that you are right. They are Dutch marks and the ZZ and hammer mark belongs to Zaanlands Zilvesmed in Haarlem/Amsterdam. Your ship can be dated to 1953 -> The other marks are weight indication marks. On objects heavier than 100 grams several of these marks were struck. The silver fineness is indicated on the sword (835)

I believe Peter will fill in the rest....

[oel]

Hi,
For the maker's mark, Z between 2 hammers see: Zaanlandse Zilversmederijen:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28590
Not at home or access to my library, will check this particular weight indication mark tomorrow.
For openers see;
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=45284&p=131967&hilit=Number+20+oel#p131967
Peter.

[amena]

Thank you both
The meaning of those two strange weight marks was completely unknown to me.
And to be honest, it's not entirely clear to me even now.
I've seen several Dutch silvers, but this is my first time seeing weight marks.
Best regards
Amena

[oel]

Hi Amena,

This will clarify the matter of the Dutch weight marks.

Enjoy the weekend, regards
Peter.



Source; World Hallmarks Volume I Europe 19th to 21st Centuries William B. Whetstone, Danusia V. Niklewicz, Lindy L. Matula

[amena]

Many thanks Peter,
now it's much clearer.
One last question, if it doesn't bother you, have these marks been used ever, sometimes or only rarely since their establishment?
Best
Amena

[oel]

Your welcome Amena,

These marks have been used.

A silver model of the Martini toren (tower), made in 1955 has a total of 16 weight marks! The weight of the tower is 5530 gram.
https://collectie.groningermuseum.nl/De ... t/10001980.
You can find these weight marks on (imported) silver/gold works; the weight-indicating mark for works consisting of more than one pieces that cannot be stamped separately. Also to prevent a gold or silversmith from adding parts to an object after the inspection. These marks are especially used on chains and other items with links.

Regards,

Peter.

[amena]

Thanks a lot, Peter
Amena