Please some help with these Dutch Hallmarks

[Anitamariska]

I need some help with these Dutch Hallmarks, I hope the pictures are clear enough...

thank you very much for looking!! PLease click the image to view bigger picture.

kind regards,
Anita




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[admin]

Hi Anita,
Cannot see the pictures very clearly, can you tell us why you think it is Dutch? Compare the marks here -> Dutch Hallmarks

Regards, Tom
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[Athos]

HI Anita,

The date of this brandybowl "brandewijnskom" is 1704-1705 and it is made in Groningen. I can't find the name of this maker.
Best regrards

Athos
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[wbe1002]

I need some help with these Dutch Hallmarks, I hope the pictures are clear enough...
thank you very much for looking!! PLease click the image to view bigger picture.
kind regards,
Anita

Sorry Anita, but that nice "brandewijnskom" is a well known false cup. Exact the one that is published in the Dutch book "Valse Zilvermerken in Nederland" by K.A. Voet 1985. page 85. The two marks are imitations of a Sneek-city master and of a year indication from the province of Groningen. Made at least till after 1985 in workshops in Groningen and in Köln (=Cologne, Germany). (admin edit - see Guidelines)
Regards, Wim, Netherlands.
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[Doos]

I'm in doubt over this one.

Granted it looks like the one in Citroen's "Valse Zilvermerken ..", but so do most genuine Groninger brandy bowls in the second half of the 17th century.

Citroen mentions an Anchor as a maker's mark for an unknown Groninger smith, working from 1632 till unknown date (Citroen - Dutch Goldsmiths' and Silversmiths' marks and names prior to 1812). So that could fit.
The date combination would lead me to the 3/c dateletter instead of 5/c, but the contour (shield) doesn't seem to match (for none of the series as a matter .. maybe the 6th serie comes closest).

At the moment I'm leaning more to a copy than an origional piece.

I would take it to an expert so he/she can have it in the fingers and feel the resistance of the metal etc. That is most probably the best clue if one doesn't have the false marks registred.
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