UNKNOWN HALLMARK ON SO CALLED 'GEORGIAN TOILET JAR'

[cringlo]

Hi, would greatly appreciate it if somebody could help me out with the following hallmark. Sold to me at auction as a 'Georgian Toilet Jar' with other various antique silver pieces. When I got the item home I couldn't really believe it was Georgian and i'm positive it isn't but I can't find the hallmarks match my Jacksons handbook. I think its 1950's. Would really appreciate an expert's help.
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Regards

Cringlo
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[Granmaa]

It is dated 1830, and George IV died in that year.

Miles
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[cringlo]

Thank you so much for your incredibly quick response but could you tell me why there isn't a little 'nipple' on the bottom of the date mark? Really appreciate your comments.
Regards
Cringlo
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[dognose]

Hi,
Agree with Miles, 1830 and the Hob Nail glass is typical for the period,
Regards Trev.
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[dognose]

Hi Cringlo,
On smaller articles this shield is often found between 1776 and 1875,
Regards Trev.
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[cringlo]

Hi Trev,

Thanks for that and its really much appreciated. You guys are so quick off the mark - i've only just started in this game and I find the older marks much more difficult to identify.

Thanks again
Cringlo
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[oldbiscuit]

The uncrowned lion puts it after 1822 but the 'P' is difficult. Nearest i think is 1830, but the surrounding stamp is more akin to the gold mark of that same year. The Duty mark though is still that of George IV, despite the fact that William IV was king, as william IV duty mark did not come in until 1834. The Duty mark puts any item between 1784 & 1890.
Is there a possibility that you could show a better shot of the makers mark please, as is is difficult to make out at the moment.
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[byron mac donald]

Okay, at the risk of sounding ignorant, which in many cases I admit to being. What is a "Toilet jar"?
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[nigel le sueur]

As for the maker if that is a TE then Thomas Edwards or a TF then Thomas Fairburn, but it is not easy to see, what do others think ?

Nigel
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[cringlo]

Hi there,

The Maker's mark is AD. Any ideas can't find it in Jacksons

Regards

Cringlo
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[Granmaa]

Archibald Douglas is the only one who seems to fit in Grimwade. I've never heard of him before though.

A toilet jar is a generic term for any jar used in dressing, make-up, hair etc all of which used to be called "making one's toilet". You'll find this phrase in 19th century literature.

Oliver Twist

Oliver was not long in making his toilet having taken some
breakfast, he replied to a surly inquiry from Sikes, by saying
that he was quite ready.

I'd just call it a jar.

Miles
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[nigel le sueur]

A D, l think l had better get a pair of glasses :-) Miles is right Archibald Douglas entered a mark in 1826 with a pellet, in 1830 he entered one without

Nigel
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[cringlo]

Hi Nigel,

No don't worry you don't need glasses - for some reason the maker's mark was upside down and the photo didn't show it all!! Thanks for your opinion though greatly appreciated.

Chrissy
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[byron mac donald]

Thank you Miles-
I knew I could count on you. very much appreciated, since I am just learning.

Regards- Byron
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