Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

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Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

Postby JanGroen » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:05 pm

Good evening
I have obtained a Kings Pattern spoon today. It bares the date stamp for 1837 and the kings head. I am not sure who made it. The makers mark looks like WE . There are another mark that looks like a 1/4 , not sure what it is.
Did they use the kings head till June and after that change it to Victoria?
Any information will be welcome
Thank you
Jannie Groenewald
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Re: Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

Postby Sasropakis » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:32 pm

It could be William Eaton if the maker's mark is indeed WE. At least the shape of the shield is similar to his mark: https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Mak ... WE.html#WE
I'm not sure how the duty mark change from king William IV to queen Victoria happened (also the appearance of the town mark changed) but based on this it was on 21 June 1837: https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Dat ... s%20B.html If that's correct your spoon can be dated between 29 May 1837 - 20 Jun 1837.

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Re: Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

Postby Sasropakis » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:55 pm

I searched the topic a bit more and found this article: http://www.ascasonline.org/windowMAGGI107.html
"This mark could be narrowed down to have been applied to the spoon between 29 May and 20 June 1837 - a mere 23 days. The last day of the year marking for the William lV era 1836-1837 was 28 May 1837. On 29 May 1837 the lettering for the next 12 months began, with B being used. However, William lV died on 20 June 1837 so a new monarch's head, namely the head of Queen Victoria, had to commence the next day."

It seems that the spoon can indeed be dated to that narrow time period and they must have had Victoria's duty mark made in advance if the change really happened instantly when she ascended to the throne. The spoon mentioned in the article is actually by William Eaton.

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Re: Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

Postby JanGroen » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:04 am

Sasropakis wrote:I searched the topic a bit more and found this article: http://www.ascasonline.org/windowMAGGI107.html
"This mark could be narrowed down to have been applied to the spoon between 29 May and 20 June 1837 - a mere 23 days. The last day of the year marking for the William lV era 1836-1837 was 28 May 1837. On 29 May 1837 the lettering for the next 12 months began, with B being used. However, William lV died on 20 June 1837 so a new monarch's head, namely the head of Queen Victoria, had to commence the next day."

It seems that the spoon can indeed be dated to that narrow time period and they must have had Victoria's duty mark made in advance if the change really happened instantly when she ascended to the throne. The spoon mentioned in the article is actually by William Eaton.


Good Day
Thank you for your help with the intresting hallmarks. I am still trying to figure out what the other markings on the spoon could be but it is too worn down.
It also have a nice e monogram.
Groete
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Re: Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

Postby JanGroen » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:45 am

Here are some more pics of the spoon. It includes the monogram and the unknown marks.

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Re: Kings Pattern teaspoon 1837

Postby Sasropakis » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:36 am

The additional marks could be journeyman marks i.e. by the person who actually made the spoon: http://www.silvercollection.it/dictiona ... nmark.html

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