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[zlhiker]

hello,i have a spoon with a chased bowl ,longer about 20cm .the marks mean 1809 london. but someone tell me the spoon made on 1809 and chased about victoria period. is that right ?? why do the second time?please tell me ,thanks .

[dognose]

Hi Zlhiker,

Yes, you have been informed correctly. It became the fashion in the mid 19th century to decorate what were originally plain Hanoverian and Old English pattern spoons with fruit and foliate embossing. The Victorians considered that they were 'improving' their flatware, when of course, all they were doing was destroying them.

Trev.

[zlhiker]

thanks ,but how can I distinguish originally made or second chased ?could you have a directly way to differentiate? Thanks again.

[oel]

Hi,

Can I distinguish originally made or second chased? To my opinion you can but it takes time and practice and knowledge of various styles and era.
Some call the Victorian silver style; ugly and boring, to rich and over the top of Beauty. Matter of taste but the Victorians thought they were able to control, master the world, dictate others and hence improve their inherited silver of older and of sober (different) style. Looking back, which is always easy, we say the Victorians should not have done this but…they did.
The date mark of your spoon tells us; pre Victorian and normally sober beautiful in style with plain bowl but the Victorians have changed all this. Today’s collectors like to see original silver, silver which has not been altered at a later stage and we can say today; Victorians have destroyed silver of a bygone era. As a reaction to the rich, over the top and mixture of styles of the Victorians the era was followed by the Art & Craft and Art Nouveau period.
I hope this explains a little.

Oel

[rauls]

Can I distinguish originally made or second chased? To my opinion you can but it takes time and practice and knowledge of various styles and era.
Some call the Victorian silver style; ugly and boring, to rich and over the top of Beauty. Matter of taste but the Victorians thought they were able to control, master the world, dictate others and hence improve their inherited silver of older and of sober (different) style. Looking back, which is always easy, we say the Victorians should not have done this but…they did.
The date mark of your spoon tells us; pre Victorian and normally sober beautiful in style with plain bowl but the Victorians have changed all this. Today’s collectors like to see original silver, silver which has not been altered at a later stage and we can say today; Victorians have destroyed silver of a bygone era. As a reaction to the rich, over the top and mixture of styles of the Victorians the era was followed by the Art & Craft and Art Nouveau period.

Hello Oel, I have a Berry Spoon hallmarked 1793 London, do you think it's also second chased? I didn't have a picture at hand currently, but I feel most Berry Spoons looks similar with each other.

[oel]

Hello Rauls,

Sorry, not without an image of the hallmarks and image of the complete berry spoon, if you have the required images, please start a new thread.


oel