Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark please

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Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark please

Postby Eliot » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:11 am

Hi - This may be a long shot because the marks are partially obscured. I'm hoping there is enough for someone to recognize the city mark and maker's mark. The date is D3 (1810) which would compare to my other family pieces of Swedish silver. I can't make out the city mark and it appears the maker's mark is 4 or 5 letters possibly beginning with a U. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you!
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Re: Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark pl

Postby Hose_dk » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:46 am

I think city mark is a ship.
Västervig - could that be where its from?

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Re: Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark pl

Postby Eliot » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:04 pm

Hi Hose - Thank you so much for your reply. I can see now that is a ship. I have only been able to find reference to Västervik, not Västervig. Are they one in the same? Also, am I correct in assuming that this is 830 silver? Do you know anything about the gold interior? Is it considered 'gilt' or a 'wash'? Thanks again, Ann

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Re: Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark pl

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:37 am

An interesting case indeed. I have tried to solve it with a friend of mine. Here is the result:

Even if the town mark at first glance looks like a ship, it isn't. It is a crown above two capital C and the other C is mirrored. That is Karlskrona's town mark. The first letter in the maker's mark seems to be U. There is not necessarily a dot after that but the capital letters NOVISADI. Then the year mark. It must be something between 1807-1818. That gives us E3 for 1811. Now we have a perfect match i.e. Ulric Novisadi active -1805-1813(18) in Karlskrona in Sweden and 1811.

There is, however, a minor "problem". There should be an additional mark, a crescent moon being the alderman (1795-1812) Friedrich Silber's mark, but it is probably worn out.

The inside is gold plated (gilded) with 24K gold. Mind my asking, what is "wash" in this context?

There are several ship references among those: Västervik, Kristinehamn, Hjo and Vänersborg...but this is not the case this time.

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Re: Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark pl

Postby Eliot » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:25 am

That was a great bit of detective work.......Thank you! I am always amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this site and the willingness of contributors to give their time and expertise so freely. To answer your question regarding "wash" in this context. The terms wash, gilt, gilding and even vermeil seem to be used interchangeably (expecially in the U.S.) and I'm never sure of the distinction on a particular object. Technically, gold wash refers to a gilded layer of less than 0.2 microns but how can one tell? Anyway, I very much appreciate all the comments and research. Thanks again! Ann

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Re: Sweden creamer - help with city mark and maker's mark pl

Postby Qrt.S » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:41 am

You are welcome Ann. Nonetheless, thank you for the explanation of "wash" I cannot recall seen or heard it in this context but I'm not either domiciled in USA. Gold plated or gilded are the most common expressions in my environment. Nice that you are now satisfied.....any other unclear marks? :-))))


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