Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

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Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby sicl4015 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:20 am

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby sicl4015 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:04 am

I have hunted and hunted in my quest to find out more about this spoon. It was well used, the spoon edges are worn thin.
It was a wedding gift (in the 1940s) to my parents from dad's aunt, his father's sister.
An volunteer event had an appraiser who said he could smell the sulfur and said it was a old style of plating that used sulfur to bond the silver with another metal.
That process ended in 1825, which would mean the spoon made before 1825.
Also, he said the style was of southern USA. My father's family was from Missouri.
In all of my hunting, I have not found any information to confirm what the appraiser said.
For example the "F" appears to be the "import mark" for 1867-1904.
Is this accurate?
The initials are either RE or RB.
I found R.E Robert Evans Boston MA active c1770
The mark on the spoon does not have a middle dot.
RB makers in the London Assay office listed that made spoons or flatware but the dates are prior to 1825.
The first symbol has me stumped. The bottom half does look like a number ending in 8
The fourth symbol looks like a scale.
Any help will be much appreciated.
S

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby oel » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:28 am

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

Danish silver, the first mark The Three Tower mark and F the assayer's mark for;Jacob Graah Fabritius (1827-1831)
Perhaps others could assist you further with the last two marks; maker's initials and the scales.

http://www.925-1000.com/dm_Assay.html

Oel.

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby Hose_dk » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:32 pm

Oh my ..........Its difficult, there are 1000 and 1000 marks worldvide and this is Denmark 1828
solid silver made according to regulations institutionied 400 years before this spoos was made.
Maker is Rasmus Jørgensen Brock born in the city of Grenå in approx 1770. Citienship in Copenhagen on the 4th of March 1807 - he dies 1843.
The F you have found and last mark tells you that the spoon was made between August 23rd and September 23rd - the 3 towers tell us 1828 so we have a manufacture within 1 month 185 years ago.

You write a large spoon. To me it looks normal i.e around 20 cm.
What is large in your thermonologi? In case its 20 cm its a soup spoon. In case its 35 or 40 cm its a different spoon. Can explain if that is the case. But I think only 20 cm.

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby Qrt.S » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:35 pm

Mind my saying Hose, but it's made one month later. You see Vaegtens tegn 23.9-23.10 (21.8-23.9 Jomfruens tegn) ;-))))
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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby Hose_dk » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:17 am

you are absolutely right :-)
I started by writing September 23 to /which was correct)---- then I had to check the to date. I misread and changed what I already written- and mooved one month.
Thanks for the correction. :-)

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby sicl4015 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Hose_dk wrote:Oh my ..........Its difficult, there are 1000 and 1000 marks worldvide and this is Denmark 1828
solid silver made according to regulations institutionied 400 years before this spoos was made.
Maker is Rasmus Jørgensen Brock born in the city of Grenå in approx 1770. Citienship in Copenhagen on the 4th of March 1807 - he dies 1843.
The F you have found and last mark tells you that the spoon was made between August 23rd and September 23rd - the 3 towers tell us 1828 so we have a manufacture within 1 month 185 years ago.

You write a large spoon. To me it looks normal i.e around 20 cm.
What is large in your thermonologi? In case its 20 cm its a soup spoon. In case its 35 or 40 cm its a different spoon. Can explain if that is the case. But I think only 20 cm.


Thank you SO much for this information.
This spoon is very special to our family.

It measures 22.5cm long and 4.5cm wide.

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby sicl4015 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:56 pm

Hose_dk wrote:you are absolutely right :-)
I started by writing September 23 to /which was correct)---- then I had to check the to date. I misread and changed what I already written- and mooved one month.
Thanks for the correction. :-)

The F you have found and last mark tells you that the spoon was made between August 23rd and September 23rd - the 3 towers tell us 1828 so we have a manufacture within 1 month 185 years ago.

Hello Hose_dk and Qrt.s,
Do I understand you both correctly when I say:
This spoon is a sterling sliver soup spoon made by Maker Rasmus Jørgensen Brock. He was born in the city of Grenå in approx 1770. Died in 1843.
He was a citizen of Copenhagen on the 4th of March 1807. The marks indicate the spoon was created between September 23 and October 23 1828, probably in Copenhagen Denmark.

I found a note from my mother indicating this spoon was a 1942 wedding gift to my parents by the groom's parents, not his aunt (as mentioned in my first post).
I don't think they knew it was a Danish made spoon. If mom had known, who was 2nd generation, 100% Norwegian, she would have let us all know it was a Scandinavian Spoon!
Dad's family, however, could never be traced out of the Colonies. The farthest he was able to document was to a Captain in the Revolutionary War.

What a curious story of ownership this 185 year old spoon could tell...

Thank you all, again, for your help.

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby Qrt.S » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:48 am

Well in general yes, it is correct except for a minor detail. The spoon lacks fineness mark or you haven't showed it. Anyway the fineness is not sterling. Sterling is only 925/1000. Your spoon is most likely in the fineness between 826-840/1000.
Don't forget the assayer (F) Jacob Gregorius Graah Fabricius 1827-1831.

When the spoon was made Norway was linked to Sweden (not anymore Denmark) with a union. Norway became independent in 1905.

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Re: Large Spoon with 4 marks need ID

Postby Hose_dk » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:22 pm

the silver content is defined by the 3 Towers. It is 13½ part of 16 silver and 2½ copper.


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