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Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:04 am
by Wolfend
Hi.
What could it be?
8x7cm



Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:56 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Reliquary Box Casket to keep a relic, e.g. the fragment of holy cross from Jerusalem, or whatever relic sold by the church.
Looks like a box, right ?
КИОТ in Russian, κῑβωτός in Hellenic.
Regards
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:14 am
by Wolfend
AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Reliquary Box Casket to keep a relic, e.g. the fragment of holy cross from Jerusalem, or whatever relic sold by the church.
Looks like a box, right ?
КИОТ in Russian, κῑβωτός in Hellenic.
Regards
Thanks:)
Maybe link?
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:23 am
by AG2012
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:50 am
by Wolfend
AG2012 wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+silver+relic+box&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb4Y3-94P0AhWQ_7sIHT5ZDisQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1517&bih=694&dpr=0.9
I don't see anything like it.
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:17 am
by AG2012
That`s common misunderstanding; people expect an exactly the same object on Google.
Relic is a small box. After 150 years one cannot expect exactly the same or even similar form. This is not an Amazon mass produced article or flatware pattern made in million copies.
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:23 am
by Qrt.S
@AG2012
КИОТ ???? mind my saying, but to my understanding a kiot is a box or cabinet for icons.
This is in my opinion more likely a box for oblate in Russian: "шкатуска" (chkatuska). Alternatively for relics, but...?
It is a Christmas gift from deacon (диакон) Vladimir on January 18th 1871 (the engravings)
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:46 pm
by AG2012
It was originally a cedar box, in Russia they started to use the term for glazed box for icons. I think the definition is broader,i.e. any box where relics are kept. But I am not an expert.
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:16 pm
by Wolfend
AG2012 wrote:It was originally a cedar box, in Russia they started to use the term for glazed box for icons. I think the definition is broader,i.e. any box where relics are kept. But I am not an expert.
Thank you everyone:)
What it was originally like?
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:32 pm
by Qrt.S
Yes the "kiot(a)" was and still is a wooden box with a front/lid of glass showing/protecting the icon, made in cedar or whatever. Anyway, we are now talking about this "шкатуска" in silver and not a kiota aren't we, or? I still think it is a oblate box, but as said...? Because it is a gift it talks for oblate box in my opinion. The only thing for sure is that is imperial Russian silver! This is not an easy case...!
Actually oblate box or relic box, IT doesn't change anything or does it?
Re: Russian silver…
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:42 pm
by AG2012
Looks like it was a part of something else; i.e. drawer box that slides in and out of a bigger piece.
It was not a standardized item, the form was created by silvermith.