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What could it be?
Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 am
by Vlad
Hello,
This is an underplate in silver, marked as:

There is also a family crest:

Can you help me, in identifying the mark, please?
Vlad
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 7:22 am
by oel
The mark in the middle could be St. George slaying the dragon up side down.
Peter.
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 8:58 am
by AG2012
Hi,
There was Ivan Ivanov Vereschagin (I.I.B. within heart shaped frame) (PL# 2560)
Верещагин Иван Иванов
1777-1792
Partial mark on the right could be one of the aldermans starting with A (PL # 2134 - 2139).
Regards
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 10:40 am
by Vlad
Thank you! Can you, please, provide an illustration of both?
Vlad
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 12:49 pm
by AG2012
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Regards
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 4:35 pm
by Vlad
Thank you! I will.
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 3:23 am
by Juke*
Hi!
I agree with AG2012 on the master Ivan Ivanov Vereschagin.
The family crest is of the famous nobility family of Tolstoy which had the title of count.

An excellent find, congratulations!
Regards,
Juke
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 6:00 am
by AG2012
People are often excited with family crests.
It reminds me of buying online one square foot of land in Scotland to become a lord.
Of course, nobility was rich and influential, but not rare, as often misunderstood.
For example, there were slightly under 2 million members of noblemen in Russia, as well as over 4000 noble families in France.
On the other hand, it is always nice and exciting to identify crests on old silver.
Regards
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:40 am
by Juke*
There has always been and will always be an interest in the rich and famous like nobilities, I believe there is something human in it. You can notice these from ex. auction house prices for items owned by nobilities and royalities. Who wouldn't be interested to own something from Peter the Great.
It is true there were a countless amount of nobilities almost all of them from lower nobility like barons but only a few counts and royalties like emperors and princes. Vlad you are lucky in your finding with an item from a count nobility family.
Re: What could it be?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 3:53 pm
by Dad
Hi
With such a set of objects, in addition to the Tolstoy family, the coats of arms were of the Vasilchikov, Danilov and Durnov families.
All of them are considered to be the descendants of Indris (Tengris).
The Danilovs family coat of arms is more suitable.
