Need help with marks on enammeled box

[heyne]

Hello all,
I'm new here and hope this is the right way to ask for your input.
I have searched previous posts and didn't find what I was looking for.
I am stuck with the identification of the makers mark on the box shown in the images.
I usually do ok with russian marks, but this one seems to be the one that got away...
I hope the photos speak for themselves, nice enammeled box in not so good condition.
https://ibb.co/vB38Q9g

https://ibb.co/5r8tkpY

Thank you in advance for any information
heyne
and I do hope the image links work...

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please embed your images.

Trev.

[AG2012]

Hi,
The mark of Nikolay Vladimirov (Н Владимиров PL 1247) is just impossible to look like this; your mark on top, genuine mark bellow.
Whoever made fake punch was not familiar with Cyrillic alphabet;Chinese may be good in imitating, but sometimes they fail.
Let's wait for more responses.
Regards

[AG2012]

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[Qrt.S]

Fake maker's mark, nothing more to say.

[heyne]

Thank you all for your swift answers.
I'll pass the information to the owners.

[Dad]

Hi,

I think, all punches as it should be. Vladimirov is a retailer. Punch of the real maker is situated below (deep) the Vladimirov punch. Therefore defects are around the letters "м”, “i” and "р”.

[heyne]

Hi Dad, after I informed the owners of the suspicions about the mark and it being a possible fake, they showed me inheritance documentation from the 1950s and insurance documents from the 1970s through to last year.
All had a detailed description of the box (but no indication of maker). That led me to believe it was genuine and the mark having been misstruck.
Your information is a great help, as i didn't know about Vladimirov being a retailer.
Explains why I could not find him in the marks book.
Thank you again.