Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

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Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby huszas76 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:27 am

Dear Friends!
Please, let me know the maker of this small russian cream jug.
As I see, it is made in St. Petersburg, Maker mark HG.
The marks are in the bottom, and the edge in the bottom.
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Thank you in advance!
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Krisztián

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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby AG2012 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:09 pm

Hi,
It`s upside down. HC (NS).
СЕНТ-БЕВ НИКОЛАС ПЬЕР
I stand corrected.
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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby Goldstein » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:23 am

Hi -

just a shot in the dark: it looks like the work of a bigger firm....and maybe it was a 3-letter mark before it was polished...
Here is my guess:

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Goldstein

source: PL, p. 180, # 1220 etc.

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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby AG2012 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:32 am

it was a 3-letter mark


Right, the rectangle contours look longer, easily accommodating three letters.

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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby huszas76 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:12 am

Thank you very much all of your helps!
It makes sense.
Best regards!
Krisztián

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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby Goldstein » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:01 am

Hi -

New (old) insights: in 1894 St. Petersburg was the assay office for Riga, assayer Sewer, Aleksandr (1892-1895).
The cream jug is made by Grünbaum, Heinrich Gottfried Ferdinand (1884-1908) from Reval.
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Here an other object fom him - same date, same assayer, same town!
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I am sure that there will be endless discussions again - the fact is that objects of Baltic silversmiths carry assay marks from St. Petersburg (1894) - real pieces are available!

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Goldstein

sorce: BS, p. 286. Friedenthal 1931, p. 114, Nr. 254. Collection Goldstein

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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:32 am

I believe Goldstein is right about the maker. It is Heinrich Grünbaum in Reval, Estonia 1884-1908. The explanation for the jug having St. Petersburg's hallmark is rather simple. The Reval assay office was closed down in 1886. This meant that the master's had to take their object for assaying to St. Petersburg, Riga, Vilna or Warshaw, the only ones left in the area. St. Petersburg was the closest one and the assayer there was Aleksandr Sevyer.

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Re: Russian cream jug, maker mark HG

Postby huszas76 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:00 pm

Dear Goldstein and Qrt.S!
Thank you very much for the correction both of you.
Best regards!
Krisztián


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