Makers mark?

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Makers mark?

Postby Atlas » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:38 am

So help with identifying this makers marks on this napkin ring is needed if you please?
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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Goldstein » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:02 pm

Hi Atlas -
your napkin ring is from Vilnus. Assay master (AA) is Artsibatschev Anatolij 1896-1908.
The maker´s mark is unknown to me - maybe Pinknosowitsch Leizer?

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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Qrt.S » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:49 am

For the records Artsibaschev's working periods and locations.
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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Dad » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:03 pm

Goldstein wrote:Hi Atlas -
your napkin ring is from Vilnus. Assay master (AA) is Artsibatschev Anatolij 1896-1908.
The maker´s mark is unknown to me - maybe Pinknosowitsch Leizer?

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Goldstein




Hi,

Why you write "Vilnius"? This is Wilno! There was no such city of "Vilnius". Just as in the 19th century there was no city of "Leningrad"))

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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Goldstein » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:17 pm

Hi Dad -
please just be so kind and reread what I wrote! I wrote Vilnus! Not Vilnius! I am always glad being corrected for mistakes of others.
See PL p. 153 - we call it in Europa also Vilnus. If Wilno is correct and officially - I will change it in the future!
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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Goldstein » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:09 pm

Hi Dad -
you wrote Wilno - but I read everywhwere Wilna!

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What is correct?

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Re: Makers mark?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:45 am

A Russian name from the time of the Russian Empire was Вильна/Вильно (Vilna/Vilno)
As we all know, other names were also used due to turbulent history.
It`s Vilnius in Lithuanian now and I hope it will remain like this for the centuries to come.
It seems reasonable to use Russian names (silver made during that period is discussed).
Compare with silver made in hundreds of towns in ehemalige deutsche Gebiete or former German territories (Königsberg, not Kaliningrad, Danzig, not Gdańsk etc).

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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Atlas » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:35 am

Thank you all for your help.
So now we have the assay master - Artsibatschev, Anatolij Apollonovitch, the city (at thetime ) - Moscow , at the time - 1899-1908.
Makers mark - П.П.Г. above О.Р. ( P.P.G. above O.P. ) - still a mystery waiting to be solved ?

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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Qrt.S » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:07 am

The town is not Moscow but Vilnius. Kindly note that Artsibatschev was in Vilnius as from 1898, not in Moscow.

About the name, compare with Roma, Rom, Rome....Copenhagen, Köpenhamn....etc. depending on the era/history and/or language used.

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Re: Makers mark?

Postby Atlas » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:40 am

Thank you, Qrt.S for your kind correction.


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