Marks and monogram - Possible Romanov silver set

[fanitullen]

Hi.

I'm new to this forum, but thought I'd give this a shot.

I've inherited a silver set. It was allegedly given as payment to my great grandfather from Russian refugees who had worked for the imperial family.

The set consists of five pieces.
Some are made in St. Petersburg, some in Moscow, judging by the city marks.
They were assayed between 1894 and 1896.

The silversmith marks are hard to read, so I won't try to describe them.
The monogram is a stylized R with a five-pointed crown above it.

What I can't figure out is the silversmith (not the most important) and who the monogram signifies.
Any thoughts to what the set might have been used for would also be appreciated.

Can anyone help?

Image attaching seem to be malfunctioning (or user error), so I'll also post this link in case it doesn't work.
https://postimg.org/gallery/2krbygmdw/

[AG2012]

Hi,
Welcome to the forum.
Not Romanov, lower nobility crown (probably not even Russian).
Not very precise engraving.
No comment on marks.
Regards

[Goldstein]

Hi fanitullen -

I post your pictures for a better understanding:
The makersmark: ITB (unknown), townmark: St. Petersburg, assay master: Scheriakov Aleksandr T., assay year: 1896, 84 (Zolotniki): silver content 875




This is just a nobility crown - without any title! Realy nothing to do with the Romanov in any way!
The Gothic letter "R" was not common in Russia - more in the Baltic states nearby with the German population!

The shown set consists from upside down:
cheeseknife
caviarspoon
sardines server
serving fork
pastry server

Pretty history, however, as so often in the years appropriately adorned. The facts tell something different!

Regards
Goldstein

[Qrt.S]

Yes, I share AG2012's and Goldstein's opinion. It is not A Russian engraving. As mentioned the Latin letter R doesn't exist in the Cyrillic alphabet. Moreover, I'd like to correct a minor typo. The assayers name is Schevjakov, Aleksandr Timofejevitch, active 1890-1896, possibly to 1913?

Nonetheless, I'd like to see the marks from Moscow, thank you.

[fanitullen]

Hi.

Late reply this, sorry about that.

Thank you for your help so far, no matter what the set actually is in terms of nobility and silversmith, it's interesting to get more knowledge about the set for it's own sake, seing as it's been in the family for near a hundred years now.

I'm in the middle of moving and changing jobs now, but I will post the rest of the pictures when I have the time.

[fanitullen]

Hi.

This took a while.

Posting the other pictures I have. I'll try to take some with a better zoom level during November sometime, hope these will be of use in the meantime.

Still unsure about the linking process for pictures, hopefully this will work.

As before, any pointers to who made these and who for is much appreciated :)

[Goldstein]

Hi fanitullen -




silversmith: Koschelev, Pavel I. 1882-1896
assaymaster: Skovronsky, Aleksandr 1894-1908

Overall, an interesting, versatile and complete serving set. That it comes from different manufacturers is not a disadvantage. At that time, cutlery was bought over years - either because the demand has increased - or because you did not have the necessary money.

Regards
Goldstein

source: PL

[fanitullen]

Thank you, all answers are helpful :)

Concerning the other pictures, should I take new ones with more zoom so they're more legible?

Anyone know where I can go to try to find out who's monogram it is?

[AG2012]

Hi,

Anyone know where I can go to try to find out who's monogram it is?

IMO it`s a waste of time.Even the highest nobility and royal ciphers are not easy to identify and let alone 1000s of lower nobility. Search for Edler - they all had five pearls in heraldic crown.

(In Germany, Weimar Constitution of 1919 transformed hereditary noble titles into dependent parts of the legal surname).

[Goldstein]

Hi fanitullen -

no more photos needed! We are accustomed to lousy photos....
I suggest buying a digital camera - you get them for little money today - the standard is high - all have a good macro programm. Even better mobiles can do it.

Anyone know where I can go to try to find out who's monogram it is?

I've inherited a silver set. It was allegedly given as payment to my great grandfather from Russian refugees who had worked for the imperial family.

That is the starting point - go to work!

Regards
Goldstein