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Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:08 am
by bstaunto
Hi team,

I got this piece the other day, the vendor thought it was early Russian. Would this be right?

As always, any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks,
Ben
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Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:07 am
by R ingo
Hello,
its a interesting ladle, but not from Russia.
The letters of the makers mark are greek (it looks like "ΣΤΕΦΑΝΟ" , STEFANO).

Regards, Ringo

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:56 am
by silverfan
This post remembers me of my post "G.Ligieri 14 Athens?" from 25.Sept. 2014, which ended with the discussion if 14 means 14 Lot.
Perhaps Bahner knows the maker.
Regards silverfan

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:16 am
by AG2012
Hi,
It`s very unlikely Greek (let`s not forget Cyprus) silversmiths would use Loth standard.
A few examples have been recorded in countries neighboring Austria - Hungary, i.e. silversmiths who were apprentices there and applied Loth back home in mid 19th century, but Greece was too far, even as a part of Ottoman Empire at the time.Besides,14 Loth was not common even in Austria.
A circumstantial evidence would be checking the ladle - is it .875 ?
I would opt for some kind of registration number with the guild, rather than 14 Loth.

Regards

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:02 am
by Dendriet
Hi all,

Could it be that this is the solution of the misunderstanding?

The number 14 is the measure of capacity of the ladle (fluid Oz)
14 fl oz = 0.39778 liters.

Google: Measurements for Cooking, cooking and foods of Provence
For sizes which are used in the kitchen

Google: omrekenen.eu/volume/fluid-ounce-fl-oz.html
For converting fl oz in liters

I have deliberately chosen not to include the links to avoid reacting Trev.reacting Trev.

Regards
Dendriet

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:16 am
by AG2012
If so, then it`s more likely Cypriot with British measures before metric system.
I doubt liquid ounces would have been used in continental Greece.
Assumption only, but I suppose that`s forum discussion for.
Regards

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:36 am
by silverfan
Hi AG2012,
in around 1850 Greece was no longer part of the Ottoman Empire. In Athens there were a lot of Bavarian craftsmen. Reread my post; I made the x-ray-test.
Regards silverfan

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:42 am
by dognose
Hi Dendriet,

There's no problem linking providing it is not a direct link to a commercial website.

Trev.

Re: Russian Soup Ladle?

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:32 pm
by bstaunto
Interesting!

Thanks team.