Cups, Moscow 1868

[dolpheus]

Hello,

can you help me with these silver cofee (or tea?) cups set ? I am not sure about the maker.
All things are marked according to law (2 x cup-all separated parts, 2x saucer). Assayer Victor Savinsky, Moscow, 1868.
But what the maker?
I have found Неизвестный мастер MA 1874 (No. 879, Постникова-Лосева М.М., Указатель русских клейм на изделия из драгоценных металлов XVII-XX вв., 1992).

But i am not sure it is my man. Maker mark seems to can be, possibly, also "МД" or "МЛ"?

Thanks for every help
Martin.

[dolpheus]

Btw i have forgot, these cups were imported to Austrian empire (all items marked I. austrian import mark for Prague)

[Goldstein]

Hi -
I opt for the maker Dmitriev M., 1854-1877

Goldstein
source: PL p. 220, # 2642- # 2645

[dolpheus]

Hello, Goldstein,
many thanks for helping.
I have acces only to some reduced version of PL (citation above), where i Dmitriev M. can not find.
But, i have found Dmitriev Mikhail, Moscow, niello and chaser, 1852-1877.(Ivanov A.N., Gold and silversmiths in Rossia 1600-1926, page 244, No.1332). There is not maker mark photo, but М.Д. description. In my mark, i dont see dots, but it can be due to poor quality stamp.
So, do you mean it is "my" Mikhail Dmitriev, or "your" M Dmitriev is another maker?

Again, thanks
M.

[Goldstein]

Hi -
Dmitriev Mikhail is a very common name in Russia. So if you are looking for your man you have to compare the marks on your object(s) with the known marks from the relevant literature - the reason why photos or soot marks are very important - often you have several masters with the same marks - nearly the same marks - the details are important! To make everything still more complicated: many marks (objects) are known - but the names are lost because the files were destroyed at a certain time. Ivanov has some advantages but many disadvantages! Investigations always rely on multiple credible sources (credibility, "handwriting" of the manufacturer, quality, style and whether the assayer and silversmith lived at the same time) - just to name a few. The reason why it is important to name your sources! Everybody can comprehend where your informations come from - and whether they are to be taken seriously.



Now you can decide for yourself!

Goldstein
source: PL