russian spoon.

[huszas76]

Hi all!
A friend of mine send me a picture about russian hallmarks in a spoon. I think, it's from Odessa, And maybe Timofej Kopenev. But I'm unsure, because in the source he worked 1894-97, and in the spoon the date is 1893.
And I would really appreciate, if someone tell me, who is the maker.

Sorry for the quality, I think, he made with phone.
Thank you any help!
Regards!
Krisztian

[Zolotnik]

Hi -
same town, same maker (unknown) and unknown assayer for 1892



Regards
Zolotnik

[Qrt.S]

Please keep in mind that silver marks is not an absolute science especially regarding Russian marks. As known lots of documents have been destroyed.

The town in both spoons is Odessa without any doubts. The assayer TK is most likely Timofey Kopanev irrespective of the mismatch of two years. Probably he worked in Odessa already in 1892?

The assayer I·Ш on Zolotnik's spoon could be Iosif Aleksandrovitch Schmidetsky. He worked in Tiflis, Baku and Transkaukasia approximately at that time.

The maker is a complete mystery to me too ?????

[Dad]

The town in both spoons is Odessa without any doubts. The assayer TK is most likely Timofey Kopanev irrespective of the mismatch of two years. Probably he worked in Odessa already in 1892?

The assayer I·Ш on Zolotnik's spoon could be Iosif Aleksandrovitch Schmidetsky. He worked in Tiflis, Baku and Transkaukasia approximately at that time.

Yes. All right. Assay masters are Timofey Maksimovich Kopanev and Iosif Aleksandrovitch Schmidetsky. Schmidetsky become the Head of Tiflis's assay office since 1893.

[huszas76]

Hello!
A made some new pictures about the spoons and knives. We have two different masters, the year, the city and the assay officer is the same like before.
Somebody knows the other master?


Regards!
Krisztián

[Qrt.S]

Unfortunately he is unknown to name too but his working period is known. It was was 1863-1907.

[Dad]

Hi.

Possibly it is G. Tsitrin (Г. Цитрин).

Here full brand:

[Qrt.S]

#Dad,
Do you know the name of the assayer ИЗ in Odessa?
Thank you in advance.

[Dad]

Hi. Qrt.S.

ИЗ - Иван Федорович Зубарев. In 1835 was born. In 1852 he ended the Assaymaster School (SPb). 1854-1869 - assaymaster in Mitava (Elgava). Since 1870 assaymaster in Odessa.

[Qrt.S]

Thanks Dad, I appreciate.
Have a nice weekend
Qrt:s

[huszas76]

Hi Dad and Qrt.S!
Thank you for your helps!
Best regards!
Krisztián