Makers Mark ARC?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:35 pm
Could I please get advice on the makers mark on this pice. Thank you
Could I please get advice on the makers mark on this pice. Thank you
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Could I please get advice on the makers mark on this pice. Thank you
Re: Makers Mark ARC?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:15 pm
Lawrence,
The marks are as follows. И·Е 1873 is listed in Postnikova item #1183 as an unknown assay master who worked in St. Petersburg 1870-1891. The middle hallmark is 84 and St. Petersburg city mark. ÐЯС is the hallmark of Arseny Yakovlevich Sokolov;
Quote from Ivanov page 125: "Silversmith 1867-1898; owned a silver workshop: Leshtikov lane 15 and 17; in 1874 presented for hallmarking 9 poods 7 pounds 7 zolotniks of silverware. St. Petersburg. Initials on the hallmark AC, ÐЯС."
Postnikova item #1232, lists Sokolov as working from 1867-1892.
As a sidenote, a pood is equal to 16.38 kilograms (36.11 pounds).
Hope this helps.
The marks are as follows. И·Е 1873 is listed in Postnikova item #1183 as an unknown assay master who worked in St. Petersburg 1870-1891. The middle hallmark is 84 and St. Petersburg city mark. ÐЯС is the hallmark of Arseny Yakovlevich Sokolov;
Quote from Ivanov page 125: "Silversmith 1867-1898; owned a silver workshop: Leshtikov lane 15 and 17; in 1874 presented for hallmarking 9 poods 7 pounds 7 zolotniks of silverware. St. Petersburg. Initials on the hallmark AC, ÐЯС."
Postnikova item #1232, lists Sokolov as working from 1867-1892.
As a sidenote, a pood is equal to 16.38 kilograms (36.11 pounds).
Hope this helps.
Re: Makers Mark ARC?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:28 am
Unfortunately there are lot of "unknown" assayers in Postnikova, many of them are known today. This ИЕ assayer's name is Ivan Vonif. Jestignejev. His working period was 1870-1894 according to the latest research. However, different books give sometime different information.
Re: Makers Mark ARC?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:27 am
Hi, All.
I regret. These are counterfeit marks. This my opinion. The drawing of letters and figures in an annual mark doesn't correspond to the original.
Please, show accurate photos of an eagle and a figure of the person.
Best Reg..
I regret. These are counterfeit marks. This my opinion. The drawing of letters and figures in an annual mark doesn't correspond to the original.
Please, show accurate photos of an eagle and a figure of the person.
Best Reg..
Re: Makers Mark ARC?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:35 pm
Dad wrote:Hi, All.
I regret. These are counterfeit marks. This my opinion. The drawing of letters and figures in an annual mark doesn't correspond to the original.
Please, show accurate photos of an eagle and a figure of the person.
Best Reg..
Right opinion!
BR
Re: Makers Mark ARC?
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:19 pm
Hi all -
if you find an Imperial Eagle on an object - it always was a present from the Czar + always a donation text for whom and for which purpose. The shown marks are counterfait marks (they are in a certain way correct - but fakes). The whole walking stick (cane) is a fake - made for the clueless.
Regards
Zolotnik
if you find an Imperial Eagle on an object - it always was a present from the Czar + always a donation text for whom and for which purpose. The shown marks are counterfait marks (they are in a certain way correct - but fakes). The whole walking stick (cane) is a fake - made for the clueless.
Regards
Zolotnik