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Is it Fake or Not? 9

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:30 pm
by Smokanabeach
Be sure i'm not going further in numbers! ;-) Only if some peole are interested in and if that can be a way to brighten up the forum!

My analysis on this cigarettes case:

- hallmark: Kokoshnik Mark: Kiev, 1908-1926; Maker's Mark: KC for Konstantin Illarionovich Skvortsov (Moscou, 1908-1917) and a 2nd mark on the other part of the case
=> Ok for dating, moreover the engravings seem to confirm ("1913", "1914", "1917"); but what about a Kokoshnik Mark indicating Kiev and a maker's mark Moscou???

- design: several materials, nice engravings (from my opinion) not necessary easy to reproduce: looks as a memory item!
=> Design makes me think it can be a "true" russian silver item, even if something troubles me... May be because it does not seem sophisticated enough...

- History: Sweden try to be neutral during the first WW: no direct link between "Stochkolm" and "Kiev", even "Moscow". The only thing is an international conference for Peace in 1917 in Stochkolm...

Conclusion: 50-50
=> I do not find the link between this memory item and the jewelery of russian makers... the Kokoshnik Mark and the makers' mark on both parts of the case look good... I would say this is a true one, but the design look to exotic to me...


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And you, what do you think about it: Is it Fake or Not? ;-)))

Best regards,

Smokanabeach

Re: Is it Fake or Not? 9

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:52 pm
by Zolotnik
Hi Smokanabeach -

Is the Kokoshnik real with the letter v for Kiev? Maybe it is a faded Delta for Moscow, what I strongly believe. Better photos give better answers. Please look at the small round confirmation punch, there must be a small dot left of the neck= Moscow. See photos below.The Skvortzov punch is perfect, the style of the cigarette case is typical for his production. If most of the decorations are riveted than it is an original - fakers solder! Just have a sharp look at the Kokoshnik again - for me it is 100% real though some letters are missing - that is the tooth of time. Cleaned and polished - a very nice item! Do not think it is exotic - at that time it was usual to get your cigarette case "decorated" by your friend´s names, dates of something special etc.

Photo of the marks you must have:

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Don´t be shy and show what you have - it is nice and educating for all - even if you have some "black sheeps". We will do our best to solve your riddles - maybe sometimes a little blunt - but always enthusiatic!

Regards
Zolotnik

Re: Is it Fake or Not? 9

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:14 am
by Smokanabeach
Thank you Zolotnik for your friendly answer!

A pleasure again to read you and your excellent advises!

Best regards,

Smoka