Russian Silver or French Plate?

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Verrine
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Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby Verrine » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:06 am

I was wondering if somebody knew whether the hallmark 84 in a square frame plus J. & W. Tubben means that the spoons in question are Russian 800 or French plate or something entirely different. I am new to this forum, so I hope the link to the picture works!

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1EGXjKKV-FLSOVmjptSCx-uFK_RJneZez5848kVFRdw?feat=directlink

thank you!
Verrine

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Re: Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:26 am

Welcome to the forum Verrine,

Sounds like French plate, Russian it is not under any circumstances. No 800 silver in Russia ever.

Try to show a picture of the marks. Use this one http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload

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Re: Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby Verrine » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:07 pm

thank you! the link for the picture in my first posting seems to work now - thanks to a nice administrator! so if I can bother you again?

thank you!
Verrine

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Re: Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:29 pm

The spoons are at sale in German eBay. Do not for a second believe that they are silver!

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Re: Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby ARGENTUM49 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:00 am

French plate is often confused with Russian ``84`` hallmark. The number indicates the thickness of silver plating in microns — you can find several different numbers in one cutlery set (thicker silver plating where more wear is expected — e.g. spoons, lower number in items with less wear expected — cake and sugar thongs).

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Re: Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby Dad » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:10 pm

Hi, ARGENTUM49.

One small question. How in 19 century measured a thickness of silver on spoons and forks to within microns? )))

I like an explanation from here more: http://www.925-1000.com/a_platenumbers.html

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Re: Russian Silver or French Plate?

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:26 pm

Hehehe Dad, good questions. Nonetheless, the explanation in the 925-link you showed is correct and much better. I like it also. This micron thing is a current and modern measurement procedure.


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