Newbie Here Needs Help

[ALB]

I have this lovely small footed dish which I think is Russian Silver. I did a little bit of research and from what I learned it appears it may have been made in Moskow. One mark appears to be an H with a dot in the center then a symbol which looks like an A. One of the marks is partially worn, but I think this is the Moskow mark. Another marking looks to be two cursive AA's and the number 84 can be seen. On the bottom of the rim there is some script letters. The bowl is about four inches wide and 2 inches tall. Any help identifying the piece would be greatly appreciated.





Please forgive me if the pictures don't come up or I have a duplicate, this is my first experience using a photo hosting site.

[piette]

Hi and welcome to the forum,
Please post pictures of the marks if possible... Then we can tell you much more.
Regards,
Piette

[ALB]

Thanks for the kind welcome. I am having a little trouble with using a picture hosting site for the first time and as soon as I can I will get the pics up with the correct size. I did have a decent pic of the marks but don't know what happened to them. If you have any suggestions on posting pics here I sure would apprectiate it. Thanks, Toni

[piette]

Hi Toni,
Try using:
http://tinypic.com/
They have a tool when you upload your pictures which allows you to automatically resize them.
Regards,
Piette

[ALB]

I already was in tinypic but just needed to mess around with some of the adjustments. I think I got it now.

Toni

[Qrt.S]

I'm afraid that you ought to show better and sharper pictures of the marks. What I'm will tell you next is more based on what you have written than what I can read from the marks.
You say that there are two cursive AA in a square. I can see the square but the AA??? Anyway, it may be the maker's mark for Andrej (Andrey) Astrahaichev 1821-1845 in Moscow.

The next marks seems to show Cyrillic Н·Д i.e. Latin ND and that would be the assayer Nikolai Lukitsh Dubrovin in Moscow 1822~1855(62). The 84 mark is the ordinary purity mark for Russia meaning 875/1000 in silver. That is about all and I repeat that there is a big part of speculations due to the poor pictures. Oh yes, the engravings. They can be made at anytime and usually you cannot draw any conclusions regarding age, maker or origin etc.

[ALB]

Thanks for the information, I think this is about as close a picture as I can get.

[Qrt.S]

Excellent ALB, good photos and you have just verified what I stated in my previous statement. Now you know it all.
Have a nice evening
Qrt.S

[Dad]

Hi, All.
Typical saltcellar.
Hi, Qrt.S
The small amendment, only. Astrakhantsev Andrey Ivanovich (Астраханцев).
Best Reg..

[Qrt.S]

Well Dad, you ought to know that transliteration is a difficult matter and it is often reason for discussion how Cyrillic it should be written in Latin.

There is no K before X in Астраханцев and the Cyrillic letter X's (Latin H) name is "Ha" not "Kha". It is only in English were it is written this "stupid" kha like in Khlebnikov too. There is no starting K there either but a H. Would you write ХЕЛСИНКИ (Helsinki) as KHelsinki, too or???? The same goes for Dimitry when the name is Dimitrij in Russian or Vasily that is Vasilij. I'm not English and I don't need to and also refuse to write it "incorrectly".

[Dad]

Hi, Qrt.S .

You haven't understood me. I don't argue. To me it is absolutely unimportant as it is written: Astrahantsev or Astrakhantsev. I quoted from Ivanov's book. But you have written "Astrahaichev" (Астрахайчев) (look your post) and I have corrected. And nothing more.))))

Best Reg..

[Qrt.S]

Aaaaaah, yes my "typo" Н versus И. Sorry about that Dad. No hard feelings I hope.

[ALB]

No matter how you spell it,
its all good information and a lot more than I could have acquired on my own. Thanks to everyone who helped out and have a good day. Toni