my little sppon

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argand
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my little sppon

Postby argand » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:43 am

Good day everybody!
I have a little spoon which I think might be russian silver
There is a little bit of history behind it........
My aunt used to work as one of the housekeepers in a big country house in a place called Colgate in west sussex near london. There were some things which she took from the hosue like china plates, cutlery, ornaments and gave some of them to her family. Her sister who was my mum got this spoon and some other things and ive resently got them from my mum.
ive tried to upload pictures but it wont let me.......quota reached

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Re: my little sppon

Postby dognose » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:54 am

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Re: my little sppon

Postby argand » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:07 am

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thanks Trev
my aunt is still alive and i thought i would add that she worked in that house in the year 1938 to 1951 when she was 31 years old she was born in 1917

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Re: my little sppon

Postby Qrt.S » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:19 am

Looks good but very difficult to read the maker's mark. Try to read it and tell us what you see. The left looking kokoshnik with ИЛ tells us that the assayer is Ivan Lebedkin in Moscow and that the spoon is made between 1899-1908. The maker remains unknown until you tell us the letters or show a better and bigger picture of the marks.

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Re: my little sppon

Postby Postnikov » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:24 am

Hi argand -

The technique of your enamel spoon is called enamel clausonné. Two twisted wires were soldered in a certain pattern to a surface and the little cells are filled with shaded or plain enamel in different colours. Your spoon has only 4 different colours and this ugly turquoise blotsh in the middle. The casted surface which should look like soldered wires, the many open ends of the wires (see black rectangles), the sensless colouring and the wrong marks identify this as contemporary fake. The near illegible master mark of ГК = Gustav Klingert, one of the best enamel makers (who minimum used 6-8 colours in a certain pattern, his "trademark") is typical for the fakers - they only use the most famous names but deliver extreme poor quality.

Sorry for the bad news.

see the many open ends?

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original marks of Gustav Klingert

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Regards
Postnikov

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Re: my little sppon

Postby argand » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:42 am

thanks everybody! the enamel clausonne sounds really interesting. if this is bad quality then id love to see a real one.
youre right. to me the mark looks like rk like you said and im not too bothered if its fake nothing gained nothing lost ey?
just another bit of junk that ive inherited. thank you for your helps

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Re: my little sppon

Postby Postnikov » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:00 pm

Hi argand -

just scroll the forum contributions and you will see some authentic enamel in its different techniques - and you too can see how the fakers get better and better!

Regards
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Re: my little sppon

Postby argand » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:41 pm

hello again evreybody
i just noticed that qrts and postnikov disagreed
which 1 of you us right? is my spoon fake or real?

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Re: my little sppon

Postby Postnikov » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:12 pm

Hi argand -

I think there is a little difference between a cautious "lookin good", the asking for more information and than a new, final evaluation - and the firm answer "this spoon is authentic"!
If you provide the asked informations, I am sure Qrt.S will tell you what you have.

I told you already what you have + some pics to help you to understand what we are talking of.

Now you have 2 opinions - take your personal opinion, resulting from what you see and read - and you have the solution. It is always recommended to use your own brain!

Regards
Postnikov


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