Moscow marks please

[carlislepaul]

Please identify Moscow marks

Regards

Paul
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[Qrt.S]

Another long haul. Its made and assayed i Moscow 1882-1886 (88). The maker, is it К.И (KI) who is unknown to me. Sorry
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[Juke]

Hi!

I guess you meant the assay period from 1882 - 1896 (98) or have I something new to learn.

Regards,
Juke
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[Qrt.S]

Yes of course 1882-1896 (98). Thank you for correcting my typo. I'm terribly sorry.

Maybe somebody wonders why 98 in brackets. The official years are 1882-1896 but it just happened that the mint office was unable to produce and deliver the new assaying marks all over the large country before the deadline. Therefore you can find items marked up to the end of 1898 and even in a few very rare cases even with the year 1899 with the old marks.
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[carlislepaul]

Thank you for your efforts and messages.

Paul
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[Postnikov]

Hi -
when you read Russian silvermarks, every detail is important! Is the master´s punch in a rectangle, a square or an oval - in this case it is in an oval, it do not read IK (there is no IK in an oval in Moscow), it reads KK and is the punch of Kijazev Konstantin Egorowitsch ( 1885-1889).
Hope that helps
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[carlislepaul]

Thank you Postnikov, well done again.

Paul
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[Qrt.S]

I would not bet on that. You cannot take an initial and just claim that is he or she for the reason that the initials just happen to match. What if I say that it could as well be Kuzma Ivanovich Konov. A silversmith from Moscow 1891-1917 who's initials happen also to be KK.
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[carlislepaul]

Gents

Postnikov states eleswhere that the makers mark is always upside down to the assay mark.

When looking at it in this way, I (I should say my wife who understands cyrillic and thinks it is I JA) find the mark almost identical to Ivan Yashin, Moscow 1884-1897, who has been recently added to the Russian makers marks on this website. What do you think?

At the time of writing imagehost.org has crashed so an enlarged photo will not be available until it is repaired.

Regards

Paul
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[Postnikov]

Hi -

Jaschin Ivan Kusmitsch, the owner of a larger silverfactory making mostly "stakantschik and loschki" (little vodka shotglases in silver and spoons) could be your man. But first let´s have a look at the spoon again when imagehost.org is working. (photobucket never crashes....), because his mark is in a rectangle.
Regards
Postnikov
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[Postnikov]

Hi -
server is on again, here my thoughts:

spoon normal



Spoon turned 180°



Maker Kiazev



The catouche is exact, font fits

Maker Jaschin



The cartouche is a rectangle, do not fit, font do not fit

My opinion: Kiazev

Regards

Postnikov
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[Qrt.S]

Its not Yachin, but Kiazev is one possibility, but the cartuoche on the spoon has more rounded corners, but...?

However, to me it still looks like КИ and that gives two other possible alternatives:

K. Iv. Ivanov, mentioned 1898 in Moscow and Ksenia Pavlovna Ilyina, also mentioned 1898 in Moscow. The problem is, however, that I know the initials only but not the shape of their mark or font.

I don't think we can do much more...
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[carlislepaul]

Gents

Thank you for all your efforts.

Regards

Paul
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