Real or fake russian silver

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DodgyBeast
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Real or fake russian silver

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Hi Everyone,

I'm new to silver collecting and I came accross some interesting cups.
I've been reading up on maker's and assayer's marks and found that one of the makers seems to predate the assay date by several years, which to me immediately seems suspicious, however I didn't notice anything else obviously fake about the cups.

What do you guys think about these stamps?
Any help is highly appreciated.

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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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[quote="DodgyBeast"]Hi Everyone,

I'm new to silver collecting and I came accross some interesting cups.
I've been reading up on maker's and assayer's marks and found that one of the makers seems to predate the assay date by several years, which to me immediately seems suspicious, however I didn't notice anything else obviously fake about the cups.

What do you guys think about these stamps?
Any help is highly appreciated.

Pleas see the links for images below
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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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dognose wrote:https://postimages.org (choose 'Share', then copy the 'Hotlink for forums' code) is recommended.

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Juke*
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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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Hi!

It is always prefered to see also the object in addition to the markings. Assayed in Moscow by Lev Fridrikhovitch Oleks (ло, 1890-96) and with makers mark ИЛ.

The initial ИЛ is quite common, anyway best candidate to have been made in the Itska Losinsky workshop (1882-1908).

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Juke
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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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Juke* wrote:Hi!

It is always prefered to see also the object in addition to the markings. Assayed in Moscow by Lev Fridrikhovitch Oleks (ло, 1890-96) and with makers mark ИЛ.

The initial ИЛ is quite common, anyway best candidate to have been made in the Itska Losinsky workshop (1882-1908).

Regards,
Juke
Thank you for your response

What about the initials П.К though? They don't seem to be in the database of maker's marks, but I'm unsure if that means they're not real or the maker is just obscure.
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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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The П.К would be Pavel Koshelev (1882-1896) in Moscow.
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Re: Real or fake russian silver

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Hello!
1. Kostroma province, the beginning of the 20th century, workshop "ИР".
2. "ПК" Kashirin, Krutikov or Koshelev...although the latter worked more with bronze.
3. Perhaps Itska Lozinsky, the city of Tula. It is necessary to see the object itself.
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