Russian child cup

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Russian child cup

Postby Vlad » Mon May 24, 2021 9:45 am

Hello, There is a Russian sterling silver child cup of about 7 cm high, from the year 1872, silver 84 zolotniks = 875, with 2 marks that I am unable to decipher, one of the back, another of the board.
Please, can you help me?

Vlad


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Re: Russian child cup

Postby dognose » Mon May 24, 2021 10:09 am

Hi Vlad,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please embed your images.

Trev.

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Vlad » Mon May 24, 2021 10:11 am

Here are the photos:

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby AG2012 » Mon May 24, 2021 10:23 am

Hi,
The only МЧ assayer I can tell was Ivan Chertenkov (Иван Чертенков) in Minsk.
There is well known confusion in Postnikova Loseva book in regard of Minsk and Warsaw assayers, the town mark being similar.
There is no maker`s mark in your cup (common drinking vessel, not child cup), and not sterling (925) but lower standard 84 zolotnik (875).
The mark with the crown is later Romanian mark.
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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Vlad » Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 am

Thank you very much for the precious information!
Vlad

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Ubaranda » Tue May 25, 2021 4:51 am

Hello!
This is Kamenetz-Podolskiy (Каменец-Подольский).
See here: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=53732
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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Vlad » Tue May 25, 2021 5:08 am

Thank you, I am not entirely sure that that is the same town mark.

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Qrt.S » Wed May 26, 2021 3:15 am

Your "charka" (vodka cup) is not Russian made but imported goods to Russia. Therefore it lacks a maker's mark. The Russians didn't have an import mark before 1882. The importer brought the goods to the assaying office. There the fineness was checked and if it was not less than 84 zolotnik or more the import was granted. In any other case it was denied. In some cases the importer punched his own logo on the object, but not in this case. Therefore you have only the assayer's mark on it. I believe the exporting country is most likely Germany. Yes, the town mark is Kamentez-Podolsk where Ivan Chertenkov assayed 1866-1883.

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Vlad » Wed May 26, 2021 3:26 am

Wonderful! Thank you very much!
Vlad

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Dad » Mon May 31, 2021 2:58 pm

Hi!

Here's another oneversion of the history of the cup. Made in Romania in 1938 (?). Manufacturer "FB". Silver fineness 750 (round mark). In modern times, it is "ennobled" with a fake Russian punch.
Arguments: maker's mark "FB", number as on Romanian items, fineness 750 ( in Romania 84 zolotniks silver would be put a fineness 800). And, finally, the clumsy Russian hallmarks.

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Re: Russian child cup

Postby AG2012 » Mon May 31, 2021 3:42 pm

Romanian mark was suspicious being .750 fineness. There is .800 i.e. much closer to 84 if it was remarked.
Moreover, FB and serial numbers are not Russian.
Have it tested for fineness; even acid test will tell the difference between 750 and 84 zolotnik.
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Re: Russian child cup

Postby Vlad » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:33 pm

Thank you very much for the hint. I will have the cup tested.
Best,
Vlad


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