Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

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Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby dartsil » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:15 pm

I wonder,

Can anyone assist with pretty much all of this box.

1/. What does in English the wording on lid say?

2/.Does anyone recognise maker, I am assuming it will be late 19th century.

3/. The scenes to the lid and base, are they of anything that anyone recognises?

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Thanks in advance
Colin

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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby AG2012 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:23 pm

Hi,
Peter Catherine in Russian (Cyrillic alfabeth).The image depicts the monument of Peter the Great in St Petersburg,errected 1782.
The image also depicts his fleet because he spent much time in The Netherlands studying shipbuilding and then created Russian fleet.Even tricolor Russian flag is modified Dutch flag.
StGeorge mark for Moscow assay office of this form was used in the first three decades of 19th century.
Cannod decipher the maker and the assayer.
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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby dartsil » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Thanks a lot AD2012,

Very much appreciated. Marks a bit worn on makers/assayers mark so will work on that should no one recognise.

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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby Aguest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:11 am

If you inspect the edges of the lid very closely, you might see further hallmarks other than the [84] which you have pictured. ::: I have a Russian cigarette case by KC and I found hallmarks on all of it's parts, even the tiniest of edges you would not think had hallmarks, but yet there they were. ::

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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby Juke* » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:49 am

Hi!

A very nice object, congrats.

I believe the maker to be Ivan Kaltykov (PL #2494) known especially for the snuffbox with niello and the assayer is Nikolai Gertov.

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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:01 pm

A minor problem dear Juke, Kaltykov worked in Moscow but Gertov assayed in St. Petersburg, so...???

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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby Juke* » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:21 pm

Good point, the alternative is Nikolai Dubrovin (н.д, 1822-55), however the second letter seems not to be the best match. Can't find a better assayer match with the form of the second letter.

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Re: Help with Russian Silver Snuff Box

Postby dartsil » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:27 pm

Many thanks for your thoughts, all much appreciated, my apologies for not responding earlier but the site is not emailing me when there is a reply even though the box is ticked.


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