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What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:52 am
by dognose
What-is-it question CLXXXXV A mystery item from 1886:
On the left for ladies, and on the right for gentlemen.


Any thoughts?
Trev.
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:50 am
by JLDoggett
If you had posted both pictures and said they were used by ladies, I might have thought it was for catching the skirt train when dancing... However! I will go real wild and suggest it is a hat hanging device, to be slipped over the brim to allow it to hang on a hook. Makes more sense than men needing to catch up their train hems in the 1880's.
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:14 am
by dognose
Hi Jim,
No, not a hat hanging device, however, although it may give the game away, you were on the right track with the earlier part of your answer.
Trev.
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:23 am
by oel
Hi All,
Perhaps a Pencil & Dance Card holder (for de lady's a Chatelaine Clip Carnet de Bal Notebook Dance Card & pencil holder)?
Oel
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:12 am
by dognose
Hi Oel,
Yes, you've nailed it. It's a Ball Programme Holder and Marker, patented by Frederick William Powell of 23, Great Sutton Street, Clerkenwell, London in 1886.

Fredk. Wm. Powell - London - 1886
Trev.
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:19 pm
by dragonflywink
When first looking at this, wondered for a moment if it was small press-style check-protector...and from the description, sounds like the marker does stamp or press the name or initials into a dance card rather than holding an "old-fashioned pencil" (or am I not understanding correctly?).
~Cheryl
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 1:19 pm
by oel
Hi Cheryl,
Yes, you're right no pencil needed, it is a marker.
Oel.
Re: What-is-it question CLXXXXV
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:08 pm
by dragonflywink
Hunh, would love to see one and try it out; wondering how personalization was offered with a 24 hour turn-around - tiny type that set in? I have little luck searching British patents, but perhaps someone has one and can show it...
~Cheryl