Help with Pseudo Marks

[dartsil]

Hello All,

I wonder if anyone can assist here, the marks on this meat skewer at first glance would appear to be English, however on close inspection the duty head is all wrong , the marks appear to be trying to be from London 1798.

The initial thought was Chinese but I am have been informed by a reliable source they are not Chinese Pseudo marks, so my question is if not English and not Chinese where are they from? I have looked at American and Canadain marks but can find no match.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Colin.

[mk209]

Hi Colin, these are North American. We don’t know who the maker I.D is but the mark has been noted with New York marks and various others down to Virginia. Hopefully will be identified one day.

I have three tablespoons with similar marks.

Matt.

[dartsil]

Thanks very much Matt,

I thought no one was ever going to identify the origin on this one.

I assume 19th century but will be difficult not knowing the maker the actual age.

Regards,
Colin

[Qrt.S]

Hi
This is not at all "my cup of tea", but I happen to have a book with American silver smiths' marks. When Matt managed to place the marks in America (USA) I took a look in the book and found a very similar mark in it. The frame differs a bit, but? Anyway, ID could be Jonathan Davenport in Baltimore, Maryland 1789-1801. The problem is that no other marks are shown i connection with the maker's mark meaning that this could be a shot in the dark only.

[dartsil]

Thanks for the further information.

It is much more than I started out with and gives me a 'possible'

Many thanks,
Colin

[Aguest]

"In “Maryland silversmiths 1715-1830” the authors Pleasant & Sill have him listed as “Jonathan Davenport” and they state that nothing certain is known as to Davenport’s silver or his mark."

I have a spoon with an [I.D] hallmark so I fell down the "John David vs. Jonathan Davenport" rabbit-hole as well. ::: You may actually have found a piece of Jonathan Davenport's silver ::::

[Aguest]

Have you ruled out Canada? ::: Seems quite British in many respects, the traditional meat-skewer form is British, the crest seems English, the pseudo-hallmarks imitate the English style, you would have to at least suspect Canada, eh? ::::

[dartsil]

Thanks for your thoughts, I think the American route is the most probable .

I will consider it probably/possibly of the American origin

[JanGroen]

Good evening

Even Cape silver had these type of Pseudo marks. I have teaspoons from 1820 or so mark this way. Will try find my old post.

Jannie

[JanGroen]

Cape silver with Pseudo marks




Groete
Jannie