(Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

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(Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby Traintime » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:02 pm

The leading edge of the cartouche is too weak. The "G" seems a bit cocked over, which is what I spot in the F. Wingate mark sample I examined. The monogram is a "W". Any possible conclusions welcome...thanks.

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Re: (Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby wev » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:40 pm

It is hard to make out from your mark image, but check the G -- in Frederick's mark, it is noticeably below the line

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Re: (Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby Traintime » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:19 am

Yes! Naturally I'm biased to it being Daddy Winnie's work, but louping shows the G does bottom out, the E is leaning, and the N-A-T all have long feet. I can just barely make out the stump of the F and the period. I guess we can call this a sample for the wares of Fred. Thanks wev!

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Re: (Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby wev » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:34 am

Daddy Winnie's work


Who is this? Frederick's father was not a smith, that I know of.

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Re: (Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby Traintime » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:10 am

No, Charles Frederic (1809-) listed as son of Frederick. Apprenticed 1822. [No mark available] I was biased toward this being the mark of his father, Frederick, which it appears to be. And the (unrelated) C.J. Wingate mark should be a bit longer, with a dropped A in that example.

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Re: (Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby wev » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:20 am

Okay; I misunderstood your reply. To your last, Charles Jewett Wingate and Frederick Wingate were 1st cousins, once removed.

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Re: (Which??) WINGATE for Matched Spoons

Postby Traintime » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:43 am

Thanks for noting the relationship. And not to worry, even I mis-understand my own replies quite a lot.


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