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JC -- unknown maker

Postby wev » Thu May 21, 2015 10:46 pm

Another interesting little mystery. This mark was once given to John Coburn, but has since been withdrawn, as it is found on pieces too late for his career. I doubt it is Joseph Clark or Coolidge; Ensko lists John Cook of Philadelphia, but no mark is shown for him in Hollan. Any thoughts?

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby wev » Thu May 21, 2015 10:49 pm

The inability to edit a post is extremely aggravating.

The spoon is 9.5 inches long and of substantial weight. The champhering on the handle is interesting and fairly uncommon.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby AGHEAD » Sat May 23, 2015 5:25 pm

Look at Joseph Cook's mark, it seems to be a good match, circa 1785.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby themarks » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:01 pm

I agree with above, looks like Joseph Cook. Nice piece!

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby wev » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:32 pm

Joseph Cook of Philadelphia? Can you site a reference for the mark? I don't know of any that have been confirmed.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby AGHEAD » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:09 pm

The mark for Joesph Cook is in my version of Ensko.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby wev » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:22 pm

Ensko should not be relied upon for more than a 'maybe' attribution. Hollan points out that there are no verified marks that can be confirmed for Joseph Cook of Philadelphia. While coffin end flatware is not unknown from Philadelphia smiths, but it is highly unlikely. In this case, given that Cook appears to have died in late 1796, doubly so.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby Traintime » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:48 pm

Did you rule out the aforementioned John Cook name? John Cook New York c.1850's - 1870s having an attributed mark only (initials in diamonds conjoined by circle). Leaves open possibility of different mark.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby wev » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:59 pm

The spoon predates his starting date by 40 years; not a consideration.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby Traintime » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:36 pm

What is the last possible year that a spoon like this could have been crafted? If John Cook was a foreman for Evans in 1850, could he not have been working some 30 years earlier on his own? Many examples exist of people who started a company and later wound up as foreman (or the same effective position with a title) for a modern concern. Does anyone know his birth-death years? Also, Evans specialty was old patterns. Presumably Cook was knowledgable in earlier wares and methods. People do order custom replacements of inherited wares years after the original set was made. Would 1820 be too late?

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby Traintime » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:07 pm

Added: Winterthur collection has different "Cook" name samples of New England wares for anyone interested. No relationship should be inferred. Just a line of inquiry. Signed, Not God.

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Re: JC -- unknown maker

Postby wev » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:05 am

The spoon dates c 1800-1805.


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