Assistance needed with this mark, please.

[jillyjim]

Hello.
One mark reads 935 which we understand.
The other mark is what has us stumped and we're asking your help please.
The second mark, we think is French but we really have no idea because we can't see it clearly. We never even noticed it until I took some photos so I cleaned these areas with the stampings and viola!




Thanks in advance for your help,
Jill & Jim

[jillyjim]

I forgot to mention that it is a brooch and it dates to the 1840s - so says daughter.
Jim

admin note - jewelry goes in the jewelry category

[Bahner]

Hello, the 835 would point at a much later production, probably 20ieth century, maybe after 1945. Possibly German, hard to say, as what seems to be a maker's mark seems somewhat badly punched here. A pic of the front of the piece might tell more. Best wishes, Bahner

[jillyjim]

Hi there Bahner.
Nope, not 835. It's positively 935 and 1840s.
I don't have a photo of the front because daughter took it.
It's two birds, kissing in flight and each clad with natural large tourquoise stones.
Jim

[jillyjim]

Jim forgot to add that it is a C clasp with a substantially protruding pin and all solid heavy silver for a small lapel pin brooch.
Jill

[admin]

It may well be a 935, or possibly a poor 835 stamp. In either case it is not an 1840s piece. Stylistically, (from what is visible), it would fit with the 1870s/80s. Mark wise, the use of decimal numbers for the silver standard would tend to put it at a later date.

Regards, Tom

[jillyjim]

Thanks, Tom.
I've asked daughter to send us a photo of the brooch which I'll post.
Any ideas on the maker's mark please?
Jim

[jillyjim]

Hi Tom. I was looking through the hallmarks in this website and I came across a few that wer dated pior to the 1880s that showed the decimal numbers for the silver standard. The German ones spring to mind.
Another point is that we don't know if the second mark is a maker's mark. It could be a city mark or anything. We really have no idea.
Jill

[admin]

The German marks illustrated with decimal standards came into use after 1886, some of the companies were founded before that date, but used a different marking system in their early years. The maker's mark is far too rubbed for me to make head or tail of. Perhaps someone else is familiar enough with it to make it out from the vestiges.

Regards, Tom

[jillyjim]

Hello.
Here's some more images.


Jim