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Help with marks

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:37 pm
by PW333abc
Hello!

I would be very grateful for help. I have a spoon with Russian marks. I recognize mark 84. With the others, I would like help with. What the silversmith is, city and year.

Best regards
Per



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Re: Help with marks

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:23 pm
by AG2012
Hi,
from left to right:
MD or ML, or MA the maker`s mark I cannot recognize.
Ivan Avdeev was the assayer in Moscow 1852-1862.
84
Moscow St George town mark.
Poland remark after 1920.

Regards

Re: Help with marks

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:57 pm
by PW333abc
AG2012 wrote:Hi,
from left to right:
MD or ML, or MA the maker`s mark I cannot recognize.
Ivan Avdeev was the assayer in Moscow 1852-1862.
84
Moscow St George town mark.
Poland remark after 1920.

Regards


Hello!

Thank you very much for the answer.

Best regards

Per

Re: Help with marks

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:46 am
by Qrt.S
The maker could be Mihail Dimitryev (МД), active in Moscow 1854-1877 (PL#2643). It matches well with assayer Ivan Avdeyev's working period 1852-1862.

Re: Help with marks

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:19 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Qrt.S has identified the maker. Here better image of his mark.
In Skurlov several silversmiths of Dmitriev family with identical initials for Maxim and Michail. Or Skurlov listed all his sources in connection with the first reference in PL where no first name is given, just Dmitriev M.(Marks are the same М. Д.)

ДМИТРИЕВ М., мастер серебряного, чеканного и черневого дела, владелец мастерской. По сведениям 1860 г. имел работников — 6, учеников–10. Посуда. Постникова—Лосева: клейма №№ 2642 — 2645.
ДМИТРИЕВ Максим, 1861: мещанин, СДМ, клеймо: М. Д.
ДМИТРИЕВ Максим, 1858: 52 г., умер в 1861 г. Двоюродные братья Максима: Василий Иванович, 1858: 40 л., умер в 1869 г., Алексей Иванович, 1874: 48 л., умер в 1883 г., племянник Алексея Ивановича — Павел Яковлев, 1858: 18 л., умер в 1870 г., сын Павла — Василий, 1874: 4 г., (1869 г. р.).
ДМИТРИЕВ Михаил, 1853: мещанин, 1861: 3 гильдии купец, СДМ, клеймо: М. Д.


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Re: Help with marks

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:23 pm
by PW333abc
AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Qrt.S has identified the maker. Here better image of his mark.
In Skurlov several silversmiths of Dmitriev family with identical initials for Maxim and Michail. Or Skurlov listed all his sources in connection with the first reference in PL where no first name is given, just Dmitriev M.(Marks are the same М. Д.)

ДМИТРИЕВ М., мастер серебряного, чеканного и черневого дела, владелец мастерской. По сведениям 1860 г. имел работников — 6, учеников–10. Посуда. Постникова—Лосева: клейма №№ 2642 — 2645.
ДМИТРИЕВ Максим, 1861: мещанин, СДМ, клеймо: М. Д.
ДМИТРИЕВ Максим, 1858: 52 г., умер в 1861 г. Двоюродные братья Максима: Василий Иванович, 1858: 40 л., умер в 1869 г., Алексей Иванович, 1874: 48 л., умер в 1883 г., племянник Алексея Ивановича — Павел Яковлев, 1858: 18 л., умер в 1870 г., сын Павла — Василий, 1874: 4 г., (1869 г. р.).
ДМИТРИЕВ Михаил, 1853: мещанин, 1861: 3 гильдии купец, СДМ, клеймо: М. Д.


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Hello!

Thank you very much for the answer.

Best regards

Per

Re: Help with marks

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:23 pm
by PW333abc
Qrt.S wrote:The maker could be Mihail Dimitryev (МД), active in Moscow 1854-1877 (PL#2643). It matches well with assayer Ivan Avdeyev's working period 1852-1862.



Hello!

Thank you very much for the answer.

Best regards

Per