84 hallmark WARSAW

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84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby madej » Wed May 13, 2020 5:46 pm

Hi, I'm not sure I haven't asked this question before.
Everything looks good? Maybe the repeated hitting the mark looks a little suspicious .
You can see better by clicking the picture
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby AG2012 » Thu May 14, 2020 3:45 am

Hi,
А. Ридель.
Minsk overstruck ? Besides,there was unidentified assayer O.C in Minsk.I hope it is not a Judaica item.
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby madej » Thu May 14, 2020 4:26 am

Hi
This is Antoni Riedel from Warsaw. OC is Józef Sosnowski. The object is not Judaica, it is a milk jug. I am wondering by the mark of the assayer, the silversmith marks seems to be ok.
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby Qrt.S » Thu May 14, 2020 9:24 am

madej is right, it is Warsaw in Poland and the assayer OC is very well known Osip Sosnkovsky 1862-1896. He is also known as Josef Stanislavovich S., marking IS 1852-53 and Ios S. marking IS 1850-1862.

Sosnkovsky never worked in MInsk in Belarus. This is a common misunderstanding related to the Minsk chapter in Postnikova on pages 200-201. It is a complete mess. Most of the names worked in Warsaw. Riedel is also incorrectly placed in Minsk as #1906. Minsk and Warsaw town marks are very similar, both a double headed eagle. This probably misled Postnikova, who knows?

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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby AG2012 » Thu May 14, 2020 9:57 am

Either AB or AP, this mark undoubtedly places A.Riedel in Warsaw.There was much confusion even with reputable auction houses,placing him in Minsk and even St Petersburg.
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby Qrt.S » Thu May 14, 2020 12:25 pm

Yes, A·P would be Aleksandr Romanov 1899-1904, AB would be Wyrzykov, Andrzei / Vyrzhikovskij, Aleksandr Kasimirovitch 1904-1910/16(?). Both active in Warsaw the mentioned years (A.Romanov moved to St Petersburg in April 1904 and worked there to 1912. Below Romanov's activity list:

Moscow 1883(6)-1894
Riga 1895-1898
Warsaw 1899-1904
St: Petersburg 1904-1912

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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby madej » Thu May 14, 2020 12:34 pm

Thank you,
I had no doubt about the silversmith who is known and appreciated in Poland. I had no objections to the assayer. I mean if everything with the hallmark is all right because it looks a little uncertain because of the double-beating.
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby Qrt.S » Thu May 14, 2020 12:41 pm

The mark to the left is a stirrup (strzemię), Riedel's logo. Polish silversmiths used commonly a logo mark in connection with their maker's mark

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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby madej » Thu May 14, 2020 12:58 pm

Yes, I know.
I can't say what I mean because of my poor English. I mean, do you think the marks don't raise any doubts in terms of authenticity?
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby madej » Thu May 14, 2020 1:08 pm

I am posting a photo of the hallmark used by Antoni Riedel.
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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby Qrt.S » Thu May 14, 2020 1:24 pm

No problem, it is authentic.

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Re: 84 hallmark WARSAW

Postby madej » Fri May 15, 2020 8:03 am

Thank You
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