Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

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Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby Mluzpinheiro » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:20 pm

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I manage to see that one of them is an animal on top of something. The auction house says it's french but I can't find any French mark similar to this one. If anyone has any idea on where is this made I kindly appreciate your help.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby dognose » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:00 pm

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby Mluzpinheiro » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:17 am

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Dear Trev, thank you for your help. I managed to do it with the site you linked on your answer. Here it goes right now the image. I didn't know if I had to create another post or not. But since you didn't close this thread I post it here.

Again it is a matchbox, marked with two marks. one is not visible, but the other has something that it appears to be an animal on top of an anvil or two letters.

I have been searching for several catalogues, and auction results, but neither gives me results of french matchboxes with dragons. It's known they had several pieces of jewellery with fantastic creatures, but in matchboxes not really. I can find several models with animals though.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby amena » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:05 am

I think it's French. It seems to me the head of wild boar struck twice.
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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby AG2012 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:44 am

Hi,
Amena is right about boar's head (small objects fineness 800, 1838 until 1984 Paris).
I think there was a good reason for striking two identical marks,it has something to do with weight.I noticed that on jewelry (bracelets,chains).Similar practice in Austria-Hungary (multiple marks on chain links at the same distance) and in Russia (indicating the weight of e.g. bracelets).
The system of multiple marks prevented tax evasion.
France had very elaborate system of exact position of marks on silver objects.
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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby Mluzpinheiro » Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Oh it makes sense yeah, thank you a lot for your help. Also, I found two similar matchboxes which the artist mark shows it as being by Charles Murat as well with two boars heads as it seems:

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Kind regards to you both!

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby JayT » Fri May 01, 2020 10:11 am

Agree that this is French silver of at least 800 standard, as shown by the boar head mark, used for small, lighter objects. Don’t know why this item has migrated to the silverplate section. It is marked twice to show the object has 2 parts, not as an indication of weight.
The maker’s mark is in the lozenge-shaped reserve, and is too blurred on my monitor to make out clearly.

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby dognose » Fri May 01, 2020 11:20 am

Hi JayT,

Don’t know why this item has migrated to the silverplate section.


It's the other way round, the OP posted in the silver-plated section initially.

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby JayT » Fri May 01, 2020 2:59 pm

Oops. Sorry Trev. Don’t see the post in the French Silver section.

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby dognose » Fri May 01, 2020 3:04 pm

It's in the single image section as we don't have an image of the whole item.

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Re: Match box marks, Auction house listed it as French

Postby gsmoggy » Tue May 12, 2020 12:50 am

Hi Members
Would it be possible to see an image of the whole box ? The engraving looks interesting,one of my boxes has a similar dragon head,and I am curious if there may be some similarities ,my box has no marks.

Regards Guido.


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